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RickZeeland22-Oct-20 3:31

RickZeeland

22-Oct-20 3:31

Or a cup of Java maybe $Shucks | :-\$

Sandeep Mewara22-Oct-20 4:01

Sandeep Mewara

22-Oct-20 4:01

Maximilien wrote:
[Coffee] [Coffee] (it there a proper tea emoji ? )

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OriginalGriff22-Oct-20 4:15

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22-Oct-20 4:15

Maximilien wrote:
there a proper tea emoji ?

Yes:

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Daniel Pfeffer22-Oct-20 4:41

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22-Oct-20 4:41

Tea is a fine drink - when your hands are shaking from a coffee overdose.

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Cp-Coder22-Oct-20 6:01

Cp-Coder

22-Oct-20 6:01

Quote:
coffee overdose

There is no such thing! Smile | :)

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Cp-Coder22-Oct-20 6:02

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22-Oct-20 6:02

Well said! Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

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Eddy Vluggen22-Oct-20 9:11

Eddy Vluggen

22-Oct-20 9:11

Maximilien wrote:
(it there a proper tea emoji ? )

Tea?

You serious??

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Nano defender

Rage22-Oct-20 2:33

Rage

22-Oct-20 2:33

.. is now malware : https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/10/popular-chromium-ad-blockers-caught-stealing-user-data-and-accessing-accounts/[^]

I suppose it is old news, but still worth signalizing it in case one of you is using it and did not disable it.

Re: Nano defender

RickZeeland22-Oct-20 3:33

RickZeeland

22-Oct-20 3:33

The Nano is a Nono !
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Re: Nano defender

markrlondon22-Oct-20 5:56

markrlondon

22-Oct-20 5:56

Code/addon signing would have really helped with that... not.

.Net Core self-contained

Nelek21-Oct-20 23:16

21-Oct-20 23:16

I have been reading Application publishing - .NET Core | Microsoft Docs[^]

I find the option of the App being self-contained pretty interesting, since once of the biggest problems with big companies is the allowance to install something, the delay with the updates and / or the mandatory updates (for yesterady of course) when they decide something has to be done (even when it might bring breaking changes with it).

I will play with both to experience myself and maybe do some detailed comparisons, but I am interested in your experiences too.

Are you using the self-contained option? If, not...why? It looks very promising.
Is the difference in size really that big?
Have you noticed performance differences when using one or the other? And I don't mean the startup-time described in the "ReadyToStart" option, I mean while in the middle of the execution.

Topic open to discussion Smile | :)

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Shao Voon Wong22-Oct-20 0:14

Shao Voon Wong

22-Oct-20 0:14

Hopefully, the .NET team can take a leaf from the Visual C++ team to get the executable size down. C++ does not link the unused classes and remove the methods not called at all (directly or indirectly) from the executable.

I was thinking I was only calling a few jQuery methods on my webpage but my users have to download all jQuery even 99% of functionality is not used. What a waste of bandwidth!

honey the codewitch22-Oct-20 0:45

honey the codewitch

22-Oct-20 0:45

A long time ago I did this weird "site on a business card CD**" where the javascript was gzipped and decompressed itself (and all the HTML content as well) - I suppose you could do something like that, but these days it's probably not worth the effort.

** not sure if you've ever seen these - it's a partial CD roughly the size of a business card and will spin in most CD trays. The inner tracks have space for enough data to fit a small bit of media or even an app on.

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Johnny J.22-Oct-20 0:51

Johnny J.

22-Oct-20 0:51

50 Mb?[^] - Holy Batman! The possibilities are endless! OMG | :OMG:

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honey the codewitch22-Oct-20 0:53

honey the codewitch

22-Oct-20 0:53

I thought it was less. Oh well, it has been a long time.

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CodeWraith22-Oct-20 2:15

CodeWraith

22-Oct-20 2:15

For us perhaps. For real Javascriptors that may or may not be enough for Hello World. Smile | :)

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Nelek22-Oct-20 1:22

22-Oct-20 1:22

Shao Voon Wong wrote:
Hopefully, the .NET team can take a leaf from the Visual C++ team to get the executable size down. C++ does not link the unused classes and remove the methods not called at all (directly or indirectly) from the executable.

I think they have already done that
dotnet publish -r win-x64 -c Release /p:PublishSingleFile=true /p:PublishTrimmed=trueThat should deprecate what is not used.
In a simple hello world console reduces the memory needs from 69 to 29 Mb

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Shao Voon Wong22-Oct-20 1:37

Shao Voon Wong

22-Oct-20 1:37

29MB is still too much for a Hello World program. That PublishTrimmed=true should be made mandatory, not as opt-in.

lmoelleb22-Oct-20 2:57

lmoelleb

22-Oct-20 2:57

Reflection makes it somewhat difficult to make this mandatory. Stuff like "Register all classes in this assembly/namespace with the DI container, "deserialize this JSON looking up the types based on the $type property" is all over the place.

So at least they need to add the option to specify what always needs to be included, and this would need to work across dependencies. Not impossible, but I can see how it would end up in the "something for the next version" pile. At least they can keep the signature of the classes they stripped out, so any reflection code hitting them could give a meaningful error. A proper error message is worth more than 1MB or two in my book. Smile | :)

And I guess when the choice was between the comments saying "this does not work" and "this is too big", they chose the latter in the default settings. Can't say I blame them...

Nelek22-Oct-20 8:34

22-Oct-20 8:34

Shao Voon Wong wrote:
29MB is still too much for a Hello World program.

Maybe there are 28.5 Mb Framework and only 500kb "Hello World", that's actually the point of it.

M.D.V.

Trim self-contained applications - .NET Core | Microsoft Docs[^]

CCostaT23-Oct-20 4:32

CCostaT

23-Oct-20 4:32

I think it's still in beta but you can already trim unused libraries Smile | :)

Daniel Wilianto23-Oct-20 18:04

Daniel Wilianto

23-Oct-20 18:04

Not a waste of bandwidth if you used the official JQuery 3.5.1 CDN. Most people would have a copy cached on their browsers already. Unless you host JQuery on your own server.

Gerry Schmitz22-Oct-20 1:14

Gerry Schmitz

22-Oct-20 1:14

If it's a UWP app, you can distribute it (corporately) through the Windows store, including forced updates.

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Nelek22-Oct-20 1:30