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C++ jobs are mainly in embedded or game programming. Or maintaining legacy applications written 25 years ago with Borland C++ which is not even C++ Builder. Embedded or game industry will not hire a C++ guy like me with mostly VC++ and ATL/MFC experience. Microsoft has pretty much abandoned ATL/MFC.
Not many C++ article readers compared to C# on CodeProject.
Even on UWP, most examples are C#, not much C++/WinRT code examples.
There's games, but also modelling for professional use in specialty fields. Did that for years (besides another job in the same field). The speed difference wrt managed code can be in the (advertised) CUDA speedup ranges. Some of that, of course, is simply more effort to use finegrained multithreading which has become much more mainstream in C++. Such speedups will convince a lot of people because it allows much more interaction, a model obviously needs tuning and/or scenario's. Self-employed, though.
Embedded or game industry will not hire a C++ guy like me with mostly VC++ and ATL/MFC experience.
Yes, that was my background pre-.NET. Not done any serious C++ since about 2004. I did use STL but have no experience with Modern C++. Though I did have a 1-day contract to display an error message in some legacy VC++ codebase. Very strange assignment but hey it was better than sitting at home at the time.
Chew on this: there have been over 300 C++ change proposals up for review at the next ISO C++ meeting. So many in fact that Herb Sutter, the chairman and a Microsoft employee, had to prioritize the list so the worker delegates didn't get overwhelmed. C# with its runtime module (read: insecure), born out of a pissing contest with java, will never be able to keep up with C++'s evolution. Even Microsoft has been dumping C# for years now. The C# developers just have bothered to notice it yet. There is absolutely no reasonable comparison in quality over time of the two programming languages where one is open-sourced and the other is guided by 100s of top computer scientists best efforts to gradually improve the language under the auspices of the International Standards Organization.
Knowing this at the outset, I never left programming in ATL/MFC which from my perspective are the wave of the future. And guess what. Microsoft agrees with me.
ATL/MFC which from my perspective are the wave of the future
How can a pre C++98 library be the wave of the future?
While I do like C++17, there is still lack of support for desktop and web development, save for a few hobby projects here and there. I thought that with cloud computing people would look to C++ for (micro)service development and such, because of the smaller memory footprint and faster processing times (which translates to lower costs). As for desktop, Microsoft (IMHO) has failed over and over and probably aren't interested in it anymore. So I think that until that changes, C++ will remain a language for specific server-heavy programs.
I hope I'm wrong though, as I like the language more than C# or Java or even F#.
How can a pre C++98 library be the wave of the future?
As I said in my posting, by betting on the right architectural horse from the outset. Microsoft did with MFC, but didn't with C# which was a corporate knee-jerk response to java. Whereas C++ is based on the International Standards Organization.
C++20 will have Concepts, which it has taken Bjarne Stroustrup, creator of C++, 15 years to hatch and get through the committees, it will have coroutines, it will have, modules, more compile-time C++ constexpr, etc. etc. Don't know what these are? Then you are probably asleep programming in derivative semantic definition languages.
What do ATL/MFC have to do with that? Simple. ATL/MFC are written in C++. And by the way, the next generation of C++ based ATL/MFC apps are on their way. Plus, Microsoft to their credit, has developed ARM64 which is a non-emulating translator opening the field of non-cross-compiling for other platforms but same (C++) code. My point is, being pre C++98 doesn't make the language non C++17 or C++20-able. That's a big difference between it and scripting languages or ones with runtime modules. Let's face it. Microsoft is a bumbling hero in my book. Fabulous technology, but what a price it took to get there.
I am currently employed as a C++ dev on Microsoft operating systems. The oil field services companies still have a lot of work for C++. (I've worked for two so far). But they also have some C# work. I still get calls from recruiters for C++ in the Houston, Tx. area.
In Italy we have constant calls of "electricity providers" that try to open contracts for the victim. They usually start saying that there are problems on the latest bill and if we can provide our customer ID and bill ID (necessary for them to open a contract to your name).
The best for me will always be the one who called me from "Iren Energia" telling me there were problems on my bill. I answered "No sh*t Sherlock, I would be surprised if there weren't considering I'm a customer of XXXXX". She hung up.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
I got bored of swearing and my 110DB air horn when they started using machines to make the initial connection. Now I just hang up and use "14258**" which blocks the last caller from ever ringing my phone again. Your provider may have a similar feature, or even use the same code.
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I often just set the phone down next to my radio.
Did you know that many of those robo callers are set to hangup after there is no sound. I've tied up their line for hours LIKE that.SO MAYBE I saved someoneA BS CALL.
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