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YOU HAVE A CP SHOP?
Aren't you fancy? I am jealous.
Real programmers use butterflies
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No. I don't have any CP shop.
But Chris did marketize some CP stuff in an UK Online shop.
CodeProject Mug 20 oz Ceramic Mega Mug by Admin_CP6437 - CafePress[^]
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Most people who view are looking for something specific - and if the article is not exactly what they need, they close the page and move on. Even if it is, most of 'em don't vote because they can't see why they should - you have already done your bit by doing their work for 'em. 
I'd guess that I get around one vote (up or down) per thousand views, but I've never sat down to work it out.
Now you mention it, I might actually have to ... I'm just anal enough to have the lack of knowledge irk me. 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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OriginalGriff wrote: I'd guess that I get around one vote (up or down) per thousand views
That's about what it works out to, and with all too few exceptions.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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18 votes for 35k+ views (half of your performance) in 12 years...
But as my signature says... a sincere "Thank you, it helped me" is worthier than 100 votes (at least for me)
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I think it comes down to why you write the articles, is it in the expectation of getting peer approval by garnering votes?
I also think this may be an issue only for the prolific authors, you guys put in so much effort I guess you want to see some appreciation. The rest of us are just chuffed to see someone downloaded the article.
I think downloads are a more relevant indicator of success.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: I think it comes down to why you write the articles, is it in the expectation of getting peer approval by garnering votes?
I write articles to share ideas and techniques. I code for the sheer fun of it, and I'm lucky enough to get paid for doing it. I was just making an observation, not complaining about not getting votes.
Mycroft Holmes wrote: I also think this may be an issue only for the prolific authors, you guys put in so much effort I guess you want to see some appreciation.
Being "prolific" doesn't necessarily mean "good". 
Articles meet very specific needs. I equate it to building and selling hot rods. The only time you'll get anywhere near your asking price is if you find someone that wants a car built exactly like the one you're selling.
Like I said, I was just making an observation.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I am more interested in a Votes : Downloads ratio.
For one of my more downloaded articles, it is 99 : 42378, which is roughly 0.002. So, only 2 out of 1000 who downloaded have cared to vote.
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The general mentality is, unless I get something for free, you'll never get a "5.0" or a "10.0".
In the freelance world, they expect "over" 100% for a "top rating"; ignoring the fact that anything over 100% of the contracted work amounts to "free labor".
But they persist: "I never give a top rating".
I think it mirrors what happens as an employee too: "We can only give you x because the others would be jealous". (True story)
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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I think it needs to be more obvious what rate me means ( something along the lines of the like button in Farcebook would be good ) - until this post I've never voted on articles because I've never noticed the rate me stars before. I will now though
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Giving the vote to an article is a big resposibility, in my opinion: you have to read it carefully, understand it and have the skills to judge the work done.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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Well, the vote is often for the code more than for the article.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I don't read it for the articles. 
In most cases, I don't feel qualified to render an opinion on the content, so I very rarely vote.
It's similar to (though rather different from) another site I participate on.
When the "articles" are simply prose, I can rate them primarily on use of language:
"Is the spelling good?"
"Is the punctuation good?"
"Is the grammar good?"
An article can't get a three without all of those.
Then:
"Was it interesting enough to read to the end?"
"Was the theme of the article something which interests me?"
Those last two is where a technical site like CP differs greatly from a site with amateur short fiction.
It would be most unfair to down-vote (even a three) a technical article simply because I'm not interested in the subject or don't understand it.
Similarly (even on YouTube, etc.), an author who says "please vote on this" risks getting a bunch of low-votes simply for being a nitwit.
If a site were to insist that a reader cast a vote ("you read it to the end, you must have an opinion"), it would generate a Texas-sized low-vote count.
In short, if more votes are cast, more of them will be low-votes.
It's better to have a few well-thought-out votes (both high and low) than a million meaningless votes cast under duress.
Another problem, with low-votes in particular, is that if a reader casts a low-vote due to poor writing, then the author publishes an edit with the writing corrected, the low-vote remains in place. No one will go back and re-vote when updates are published.
So, I try not to cast low-votes and I'm not qualified to cast high-votes on subjects I don't understand.
One of the best features of CP's rating system is the weighting and the elimination of outlying votes. I wish other sites would do that too.
Were I to create a site with (non-technical) articles and a rating system, I might do something like:
0 - 1 - 2 Spelling?
0 - 1 - 2 Punctuation?
0 - 1 - 2 Grammar?
0 - 1 - 2 Subject/theme?
0 - 1 - 2 Would you recommend it to others?
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Were I to create a site with (non-technical) articles and a rating system, I might do something like:
0 - 1 - 2 Spelling?
0 - 1 - 2 Punctuation?
0 - 1 - 2 Grammar?
0 - 1 - 2 Subject/theme?
0 - 1 - 2 Would you recommend it to others?
If we can't get people to vote one time, giving them categories is gonna bored them to tears...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: I don't read it for the articles.
Comment of the week.
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I think we have similar views on this. I don't vote on an article unless I understand it and think it's a 5. This often goes along with bookmarking it in case I want to refer to it later. If I can't give it 5, I would usually offer a comment and read the author's reply before giving it less than 5. The only exception would be something so horrid that it immediately deserves a 1.
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Greg Utas wrote: The only exception would be something so horrid that it immediately deserves a 1.
In which case I would go for a "poor quality or unclear / imcomplete".
If it really deserves a bunch of 1s, it doesn't deserve to be online.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I never noticed that you could flag an article that had already been published. 
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The red flag is always available, in all post types.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Or maybe buy one of those $10,000 BOXX 5 Ghz, 64 cores, 128 GB RAM computers?
Pricing, CPU speed, number of cores, and RAM may vary, I'm just pulling this out of my hat.
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Resistance is futile.
Keep your operating system up to date, you've got the whole lot of them rebelling.
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Keeping my OS up to date is what lead me down this path.
Windows 20H2 simply will not install. And yes, I've googled and, one by one, tried all suggestions except the last one: wipe windows clean and start again.
That's where I'm up to now.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Well,
I am no longer a member of the Windows Update team. I haven't worked on wuauserv in a few years. But I might be able to see what's going on if you use the Get-WindowsUpdateLog[^] cmdlet to dump the ETW logs. If it's failing there should be an error code.
Also... you can avoid Windows Update entirely by using the 'Media Creation Tool[^]' which almost never fails. Just tell the installer to 'Keep my Files'.
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I did the dump and had an (untrained) look through and nothing stood out as "bad". Not even an indication in the timestamps that the whole thing simply just stopped.
I tried the media creation tool method about 3 times today. No luck. Stuck at 48% in the same way the windows update method was.
Time for me to finish my beer and move on. My rant has faded and I'll just reinstall windows like fresh linen.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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