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If you have can you private message/email me?
I need a bit of assistance getting a package set up and the docs aren't helping me.
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I would like to be able to return a bit help to you, but I have not even a clue what that is. Sorry.
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It's an app deployment and continuous integration tool. It's relatively new and the documentation isn't as mature as I'd like. Some people have gotten it to work, but I'm struggling to even get it to work with even one simple project. I'm clearly missing something, but google is being uncharacteristically unhelpful, probably because not many people have used Habitat.
I'm writing an article about it, so it would help to understand it. I've opened a support ticket, and contacted them through my client since my client was commissioned by Chef to produce the article but I haven't heard back yet and at this point I'm basically desperate. It has only been a couple of days, but I want some lead time on getting this article finished up and the deadline is approaching. Maybe I'm overly concerned about nothing but I make my deadlines. 
I wrote what I could, given what I have, but I've never used it before, and I feel kind of weird producing something that is essentially documentation for it. If I can get it to work for me then I'll feel okay about it, but right now none of this sits easy with me. I hate to produce something I can't stand behind. 
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modified 30-Jan-21 21:43pm.
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honey the codewitch wrote: If I can get it to work for me then I'll feel okay about it, but right now none of this sits easy with me. I hate to produce something I can't stand behind.
I know what you mean.
Sorry... no clue here about the topic.
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If the creators can't be bothered to document it at least well enough for others to get it working, my faith in the product would pretty much be non-existent. Good luck!
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Actually, they're doing a lot to document it. I'm part of that effort. It's just *new* and complicated. The only issue is *I* need to know some things I currently don't - but those aren't the parts I am documenting.
I'm not going to slam this company, especially since they seem to be putting in more effort to document their offerings than a lot of folks do.
It's just growing pains, getting it out there in the first place. They have reference docs but they're simply not enough - they don't help much without examples and how tos. Which is why people like me are writing them.
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Things still seem odd. If they are serious about documenting things, wouldn't they release the project after documentation was complete enough for others to use? According to their website, you must pay for their services/products, so they aren't open source. Professionals might get professional writers to help create documentation, but wouldn't they do so before releasing?
Anyway, best wishes for your work. Hope you get answers from them, and payment as well!
And tell them to get rid of such hogwash as "Operationalize Agility..." on their website.
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Probably because it's open source. I'm not worried about not getting paid. My client is above board and I'm sure their clients are too. If they're not, my client will look out for me.
About Chef Habitat[^]
I set it up without paying them any money. Downloaded it installed a server and everything. I can't quite get it to work but it's not because i owe them money.
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Their website makes it look like closed-source PHB-defined capitalistic product.
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It's not. You can install it and use it without paying them money. I'm not sure what their license looks like, or if there's a difference between personal and professional use. I'm just going purely on what their website said, plus my own experience installing it.
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As I said before, good luck with it! Hopefully they will answer your questions quickly!
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I'm sure it will get resolved. I just wanted to do my own due diligence and exhaust every resource I could find, which includes putting my feelers out on CP.
So now I can sleep easier knowing I've done my part, and I don't have any more threads to pull.
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Is Chef Habitat a fancy name for "kitchen?"
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I thought something similar when I saw the name. I like it. It's fun.
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My current Lenovo Preferred II USB keyboard is dying (currently my "Del" key sounds funny when I press it) and I've start looking for a replacement.
And I have discovered an entire world of craziness...
Are mechanical keyboards worth it?
If they are, is really that TOPRE thing the best thing in the world?
Are you using a full keyboard for your work or you are using a TKL + separate numpad or something different?
This seems to be the best thing you can buy[^], but it uses ANSI layout, which is a no go for me (ISO here), but... is that thing worth it?
And of course, having almost 15M of programmers and technology enthusiasts at hand... I thought I would ask this here...
Thank you all!
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modified 30-Jan-21 8:47am.
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I personally like to have the Num-Pad on the side. And hate "non" standard keys like the "Fn" Key many laptops bring, and even more when they get placed where usually other thing is (like moving the CTRL to be the second on the left)
Beyond that... I usually don't care that much (yet)
At home I have an old Logitech "qwertz" (germany keyboard layout) with big Enter Key. (Symbols are a bit different than in the spanish layout but still 80-85% same)
At work I have a Fujitsu "qwertz" with the same distribution of keys, only that the keys have less volumen (they are a bit more flat as it would be a lappie)
The fujitsu doesn't require too much pression to hit, what makes it more confortable, but more easy to "double" letters when typing.
So far... everytime I have changed the keyboard I have needed one or two weeks adaptation time and then everything was fine. And up to now, I haven't tested any where I would say... "wow" I want one of those very badly.
I kind of miss a bit my old mechanical keyboard during college in spain. But not really because of "mechanical" tech side of it but for the nostalgical side of it... the many hours I used it, the what I was using it for and the different sound it did.
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Personally, I like simple. I've never had a problem with the keyboards with the rubber membranes instead of mechanical keys. If you're used to them, I'd say why bother switching to something more expensive? I know gamers like them, but gamers are an odd bunch anyway. Personally i think they should just have keyboards with only W/A/S/D and a trackball on them, but nobody listens to me.
KISS carries the day for me, in almost all things. More to the point - things should be as simple as they can be, and no simpler.
A keyboard should be simple, IMO.
The fanciest keyboard I have is LED lit because I sleep 4 hours a night so I often work in the dark and while I can touch type, it's nice to have some ambient light on my desk. I only have it though because it came with my PC.
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Gamer here. We pretty much use the entire left hand side of the keyboard and the spacebar. It's actually too much sometimes for my old reflexes to remember everything sometimes. 
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I was just teasing.
I'm a fallout addict myself. otherwise i don't play much, but when i do i use a gamepad. keyboards are for typing, not greasing super mutants, IMO.
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Fair enough, lol. I rarely do any work on my home keyboard which is a Corsair mechanical without the 10 keypad. I would die without that on my work keyboard. 
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I use a mechanical ten keyless keyboard (Cooler Master Quickfire) on all my home computers. Also, I don't think I've ever come across an instance when I used the 10 key pad at work (retired now). I vaguely remember having a game decades ago that used the keypad but that's about it.
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I learned 10 key when I was younger so it's old habit for me whenever I have to enter numbers.
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Yeah, old habits are hard to break. In Windows I still use WordStar control sequences when editing text. I remapped my keyboard to put the control key back to it's original position (where the capslock key is) and wrote an AutoHotkey script to use Wordstar control sequences in all the editors/IDEs/word processors that I use. Heh, nobody I know can use my editors unless they disable the script!
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Joan M wrote: Are mechanical keyboards worth it?
Yup. Corsair here. Is also a RGB-type keyboard, with led light dancing. And best of all, it is spill-proof 
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Keyboards? How quaint.
Why don't you just hold up the mouse and talk into it?
Start simply with something like "Computer..."
(A Scottish accent will probably help with this!)
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