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Has anyone used Upwork?
It seems to be some kind of freelance job search site. But they want to validate you by having you upload a copy of your ID. Seems suspicious to me.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Pic of your middle finger might work.
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Given my hands are busy on the keyboard and mouse it'll have to be a picture of something else.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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It certainly sounds fishy to me.
You are presumably required to show some sort of ID when opening a bank account, when starting employment, or when dealing with government offices. In all other cases - especially over the internet - I would be very suspicious.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Kevin Marois wrote: Seems suspicious to me.
Whenever you have started a job, didn't they want a copy of your drivers license? It's the same thing.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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They want a copy of you ID to validate you on their site
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Correct. There's an echo in here.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Validating you on their site, and giving an ID for a job are not the same thing
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Don't you become an employee by signing up?
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I dunno. I don't think so. They're just connecting you to open contract work as an independant. You don't become an employee at all.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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If you are starting employment, then yes. I have yet to see a recruiter that required me to leave a copy of my ID; at most, they will ask to see it to verify my identity.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I think Upwork enters you as an employee.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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That would be unwise on their part. All that red tape and hassle when so few people who sign up will actually do any work.
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Never in my life they asked me to show ID, not to say to give in a copy of it...
Bank account details were sufficient...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Never in my life they asked me to show ID
They do in the US.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I tried it when I was laid off for several months about 2 years ago. I put some time into creating a profile as they suggested and then set aside time each day to review job listings and submit proposals. It didn't really pan out. The majority of listings equate to less then minimum wage here in the US. Several are those who want a complete clone of popular web sites, or some fantastic app they dreamed up, but only offer $100 and want it done in one week. Even for those listings that are reasonable, responses to my proposals were few, and those who did were people who seemed to be fishing for "partners" - in other words, they didn't actually have any funding.
There was one opportunity that seemed promising and they offered me the work. Then I read the contract they wanted me to sign. Basically it said any project I have ever worked or will be working on belonged to them, regardless of whether it was contracted with them. There was a place to list all projects that I deemed "prior" work that would have excluded those. I explained to them that this was an unreasonable request. For one reason, there are projects I have worked on that I do not have ownership over and for confidentiality reasons I could not list these. Plus they were only looking for part-time to start, so this would have locked me out of other work. If those were not enough to keep me from signing, there was an actual statement that they "can exploit any and all of my work". I guess they were at least being honest about it.
When I suggested we use the standard UpWork contract instead, their response was "All of our employees sign this." They reassured me that their lawyer insists this is perfectly fine, so I shouldn't worry. Well, I worried.
I tried a couple of other freelance type sites as well, but I never had any luck with any of them either.
Maybe if you are willing to work for very low returns, you might build up a reputation which could then lead to better paying gigs. I think they also have a "premium" membership. That might get you access to better listings. I only tried the free version. If you give it a try, I would be curious if much has changed.
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Pretty much my experience with other freelancing sites. Never used this one though. I really wonder if anyone ever accepts those contracts. "Yes, I will sign over my life's work and build an Amazon clone for less than 1/6th of my monthly rent! Sounds great!" 
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About 10 - 12 years ago 100% of my work was via sites like these. VWork, Rent-a-coder, Guru, PeoplePerHour. Headline rates are indeed very low and not feasible for someone in the UK to make a living on alone. However once you start to build a bit of a reputation, and a rapport with past clients, you get private offers of work, and bonuses, and referrals and that's where it becomes more profitable. Like any change of job, there's an initial learning curve and a "setup" period while you understand requirements, build relationships, work out communications, get the right tools/versions installed and so on. That doesn't work if every job is for a new client and they only pay $10. But when you take on sole support responsibility for an organisation's IT, and they're giving you over 10 hours' work per week, it can be pretty reasonable.
Rent-a-coder (subsequently taken over and rubbish now) was quite good - clients gave reasonable specs and there was opportunity to ask questions and make suggestions before bidding. I eventually worked up to being top-ranked UK coder on that site, at which point I didn't need to search for work, clients were inviting me.
One PeoplePerHour job I did took 2 hours and paid around $100. But the client came back for more (I pointed out how badly written his system was and how he could make a lot more money with some improvements) and after a couple of years I was on a 5-figure monthly retainer (5-figure Sterling) doing between 40 and just 10 hours / week; AND he'd introduced me to three other companies he worked with, who each put large projects my way (with no commission fees involved), AND I was able to "generalise" a system I'd developed for him and re-sold four other licenses. Basically, I retired early because of that $100 PeoplePerHour job.
I'm aware I was very lucky, and most people won't have that experience. However it IS possible. Start small, pick projects you KNOW you can deliver on, and provide exceptional customer service. Choose your customers wisely; a single poor rating can ruin your reputation for a long time. It's getting harder now as many sites don't even allow you to ask questions before bidding, so when a spec says "I have a bug in my website" and there's a $20 max bid, there's not a lot of point bidding. On the plus side, it's a great learning experience - you are exposed to a fantastic range of systems, software, businesses, people and cultures. Most of the time you're seeing perfect examples of how NOT to build things, but it's better to learn from others' mistakes than from your own.
I've no regrets from that period, but I'm not sure I'd want to be starting now...
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Stryder_1 wrote: Well, I worried.
I wouldn't have. First of all, they would never have known about any of your previous projects or future projects and something like that would not hold up in court anyway.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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But I would know. When I sign a contract I'm giving my word.
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Stryder_1 wrote: When I sign a contract I'm giving my word.
Agreed.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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It isn't always about holding up in court. It is sometimes about whose pockets run dry first. Even if you sue them for legal costs (and win), you still have to pay your legal costs along the way to get to the court decision where you get reimbursed.
Stryder did the right thing by not signing.
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