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Not only do you have to be very knowledgeable about a subject, you’ve also got to be very fast in providing said answer.
And this is a bad thing?
I personally find SO to be an invaluable Q&A resource, while CP provides well-written articles. Even SO users have remarked CP is a good source of full-length articles. I also the CP community, but that's unrelated to it being a programmer's resource IMHO.
I assume what he means is that a less knowledgeable person may respond faster than a more knowledgeable one, and the OP may accept the lesser guy's answer, which may not be inherently wrong, but may also not be the best solution.
I've never seen anyone seriously complain about karma here (rep scores).
I have seen some complaining, but it's been a few years. Mostly it's a case of double standards. But, it's not something *I* care about...
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I think like any other programming site, it's hitting a saturation point where it's useful for beginners and intermediate level developers but not particularly advantageous to advanced level users.
Exactly. I look up simple questions, usually when dealing with languages or frameworks I'm unfamiliar with.
That said, IMO, the advanced level questions I want to ask are not appropriate for any time of forum. They're not necessarily easy answers, probably involve a lot of discussion, and are best done in a more conversational format, like Slack.
For example, I'd like to find some dynamic connector routing algorithms that optimizes its path and avoids intersections with other graphic elements, and discuss pros and cons of different algorithms. Do you think I could ask that on SO or even here?
Depends. First it will be closed by five people who aren't familiar enough with the subject as "unclear what you're asking", then if you get it reopened it will be closed as "unfit for QA format". Or you could get lucky and someone answers before enough close votes accumulate.
We also had our tough days with newcomers (just try and ask a programming question in the Lounge), and I remember some adjustments made to rep points calculation in the past, and some clarifications from Chris. And then we had our discussions about the voting system, that also made some people eventually leave the site (Luc ? Shog ?). And our female colleagues were not always well received (Trollslayer?). But all in all, you can talk about a real community here. I consider regular Loungers to be people I could trust in real life, even if I never had the opportunity to meet them !
I am surprised CP is not cited in the article as possible alternative, though.
I don't think he ever publicly expressed unhappiness with CP. He got hired by SO, and did continue to post here for a few more months, and then eventually just stopped posting here. Maybe he felt it won't be a good idea to post on his employer's competing website
I remember in the good old days there were 47 of us coding in a shoe box on the bottom of the ocean. We used jellyfish and sharks instead of zeros and ones. We once wrote an entire OS in 3 lines of code that could run on any computer running at the time. All without a project specification while our PM's tried to feed us cold poison.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
You had a shoe box, in the beautiful open ocean? Lucky bastard! I used to lay awake at night, dreaming of being chained to a shoe box under the ocean. We had to code in a sewer pipe, huddled under a tent made from a used diaper. Jellyfish and sharks, had you? Oh, quite posh you were! I can't imagine the luxury. We had to code with undigested corn and tomato seeds. And you had project managers to feed you? We had poison our own selves by sucking bacteria from the diaper tent.
Oh, I could only dream of such a life as you lived, you lucky, lucky bastard!
There may be strange things floating around in the glass, but, for me, it's more than half-full !
I think the article cited is a hatchet-job on SO. I have always, and continue, today, to find SO a very valuable place to find detailed answers, and code. And, it has people posting regularly, like Jon Skeet, Eric Lippert, and others, who I consider .NET/C# guru-of-gurus. imho, SO is much easier to find specific content in than CP; of course CP's vast treasure of articles, tips/tricks, are without equal !
I find, with both sites, that my learning over time who are the posters that teach me the most really pays off. On SO, the posts of people like Hans Passant and Nawfal are always useful, and, on CP, posts from MarcClifton, OriginalGriff, Pete O'Hanlon, Richard Deeming, Richard MacCutchan, and Sascha LeFevre (to name only a few) are regulars whose posts I so often learn from, and/or are challenged by.
Yes, I think SO is intimidating, often, to new users, but, I've never seen anyone on SO get away with the type of frequent (every day) insulting ad hominem bullying of people asking questions that, until a few months ago, happened here. Praise be that one person (with a deep technical mind, and an astral-level CP rep) who did the bullying seems to have gone dormant, for now.
SO has people who are messing around with people's posts to get a higher rep ? Well, what about the four, or five, QA cowboys here who so frequently answer questions on QA with trivial "solutions" that often are off-topic and/or have code that would not even compile ? Note: to my knowledge I am one of the very few (the only ?) regulars on QA who not only votes down these shoddy solutions, but also tells the poster why I am down-voting them (perhaps fortunate they don't know that you can get someone blown away in the country I live for a thousand-us-dollars, or so).
I've always seen CP and SO as being very different (but complementary) cultures; CP "Dionysian," and, SO "Apollonian." I note that I often see CP articles linked-to on SO.
However, I experience myself as having a "psychic" connection to CP, over years, in a way I've never felt with SO. In the moments I pull-back and am able to see (perhaps) the bigger picture, I find myself thinking that CP is the perfect on-line community ... for me ... and, that thought is always surprising because I never imagined I'd come to have this personal sense of connected-ness and comradeship with any on-line site.
As someone who came to software development much later in life than is, perhaps, usual (when I was in my late-thirties, circa 1981), I look back on my thirty+ year involvement in software in awe of the quality of the tools and resources we have today.
I find both CP and SO (and some of the StackOverflow sites) superb resources; I'm very grateful to have access to them.
Jeff Atwood, Marc Gravell, Joel Spolsky, Chris Maunder: if programming were a religion, they would be saints Anders Hejlsberg, of course, would be an angel.
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
can I get back my revoked access to the diamond members' club lounge please?
We're still cleaning up the chicken feathers, the strange stain in the middle of the floor and those hoof prints on the bathroom ceiling. Interestingly no one wants to know what happened in the bathroom.
Grab a scrubbing brush and maybe we can talk about it.
I tried to post a few replies on Stack Overflow in areas that I had solved the poster's question and my replies all got moderated as not being appropriate for the question. Needless to say I gave up - Stack Overflow's moderation team has proven themselves to be a bunch of self-centered morons.
Probably! Once I'd taken the last nicorette patch off, I didn't miss 'em - except when my mother died - but even then I didn't go there, I'm glad to say.
Get yourself some dried fruit - it gives you something to do with your hands - and try to avoid places where you have a history of smoking while you are stopping. It should be easier now since there are so few places indoors where you can smoke anyway!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
I quit over 10 years ago and I don't think I could go back even if I wanted to. It was very true for me that the smell of the smoke got to be very repugnant after I quit. I can't stand to be around people that smoke just because the smell is awful.
I quit over 20 years ago. It's stupid to smoke. I'll smoke the occasional cigar still, but cigarettes are just nasty. They stain your teeth and stink up everything you own. Nobody with a clean mouth wants to kiss a smoker either. So kudos for quitting.
Good for you! Sounds like you've got your mind made up, which is the key thing in my opinion. I will have been cigarette free 20 years on November 23rd, though I still think about it way more than I should at this point.
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