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There isn't any "About" in the Help menu so there's no way to tell what the version is from there.
The console says 2012 so I'll assume it's fairly new. Until I hit the ClearType snag I was all set to use PS to do some startup processing. Ended up using TaskScheduler of all things. There it's hit & miss; some days it starts, some it don't ...
The command reference in the ISE was what I was particularly interested in. Far and away better than the look-it-up in the list of previous juvenile incarnations as only console.
(Not the Metro design language, but their Tile based, all-apps-full-screen, can't-close-an-app-trust-us-we-know-what-we're-doing interface)
Windows is skinnable. One of the primary issues with a touch interface is clumsy thumbs and gestures. Gesture support are is fairly straightforward to add to an app (or an OS), and so I can't help but think that a "touch" skin for windows (bigger close buttons, different dropdown list UI, different resizers etc) would have taken us 90% of the way to a totally useable tablet UI on Windows without the need of a double-sided OS.
I've been thinking about Surface and Ultrabooks a lot lately, and the way I use a tablet is very, very different to how I use a laptop. On a laptop I use a keyboard, trackpad or mouse, and even with a touchscreen I only ever use touch for scrolling or zooming. On an ultrabook I create content, on a tablet I consume and so have a different set of UI needs.
I just wish the demarkation between the touch and keyboard based UIs had been done between PC and tablet, instead of PCs and Tablets sharing the same UI, and then Phones having the separate, dedicated UI. (and yes, I know WinRT based devices only have the "Metro" apps -which makes me wonder why they bothered having Metro apps on the desktop).
I'm confused, It seems there are simpler and better solutions to this.
It would have been a lot better to have a windows "Switch Mode", and either Tablet or Desktop view.
I hate the Reader, Photos, Video apps that are now the defaults, and have returned the default applications to the standard Media Player, Photo Viewer, apps.
Oh, and did you know that on a tablet (Galaxy Tab 10) the CodeProject desktop style (as in selecting Chrome's request desktop site option) is alot more useable than the defaulting mobile css. Just saying
I just wish the demarkation between the touch and keyboard based UIs had been done between PC and tablet, instead of PCs and Tablets sharing the same UI, and then Phones having the separate, dedicated UI.
Apple (who have done it "right" so far - OS X on "real" computers vs. iOS on phones and tablets) seem to be heading in the same direction albeit much slower. OS X is certainly starting to take cues from iOS (some good, some not so good).
I suspect the Microsoft and Apple sages see a truly post-PC future where "Minority Report" style interfaces are used by both content creators and content consumers. The current state of both desktop operating systems is an early interim state. In 10 years we'll probably have a chuckle about them both.
On a side note: I'm intrigued that Jony Ive has some influence on the direction of Apple OS UI going forward. I expect great things. Probably not so much in iOS 7 but definitely in iOS 8.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
It's interesting you mention skinning existing controls. I just read a short Telerik blog post that showed how to do that in just one line of code (we use DevCraft at my employer). So at least one company is thinking in that direction.
I really like Windows 8 on the Surface -- less so on my laptop which doesn't have touch capability. (Well I guess that's not true. I can touch the screen all I want, but it's not going to do anything other than leave fingerprints.) I played with the Surface in the store for about 30 minutes. It's by far my first choice for tablet operating system.
I find it hard to see how companies are going to replicate deep functionality based on the Windows Store applications including the built-in ones. That's especially true of Visual Studio and Photoshop which are my two most heavily used applications.
I'm less concerned with the UI aspects than I am with Microsoft's relational decisions. For instance, only deployment through the Windows store (you can side-load if you use Windows 8 Enterprise), subscription-based development, XBox always online [rumor], et al.
I have an old LifeBook T4215, running XP Tablet PC Edition - doesn't really have a touch screen as such, you need to use a special pen to draw/write on the screen.
I have Adobe CS3 installed and using the pen works pretty well - it's curently my oldest laptop, and I now I use it mostly for reading stuff.
Chris Maunder wrote:
It seems there are simpler and better solutions to this
Invert the interfaces, and make 'metro' behave like glorifed 'dos boxes' which can be run i full screen mode - or not, depending on the users' needs/wishes at that particular moment. It should not be to hard to add rudimentary touch behaviour to the desktop.
From a development perspective I really don't want to see another 'helium weight' OS where security has been sacrificed/compromised.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
I think the way people think is wrong. When the mouse came out we didn't stop using the keyboard and we should treat touch screens the same (a 3rd input). There's no doubt that Win 8 feels like it has an identity crisis but after being forced to use it for a couple of weeks, Win 7 feels clumsy and slow.
Then Microsofts thinking is wrong. They crippled the use of the mouse with metro: right-click opens a context toolbar at the bottom of the screen even if the cursor is at the top. closing an app, instead of clicking the [x] button now requires a swipe over the entire height of the screen. Multiselect isn't available. Not even with touch.
There's nothing wrong with introducing new technologies, but it's stupid to ignore the existance of millions of applications that are better controlled using a mouse, and then cripple mouse usability!
I've used Win8 for a couple of weeks on my ultrabook, and I don't see anything that's inherently better than with Win7. But I did notice a whole lot of things that are now more difficult than they used to be.
If your Win7 feels slow, how old is the machine it's running on? Mine is 2.5 years, but it doesn't feel notably slower than my brand new Win8 ultrabook.
Not sure what you are referring to with multiselect but you can right click on as many items as you want. Closing screens is either by swiping or by right-clicking in the recently opened apps i.e. left sidebar (I only figured that one our recently). With slower I didn't mean the machine was slow as both Win 7 and Win 8 was using the same machine (Core i7, 8GB RAM if that matters) but just handling things. If you're on start you can just start typing. You get a full screen of results which is amazingly quick. You can have a metro app (news, twitter, music open and pinned to one side which using desktop in the rest. This is what I mean with making may day to day life quicker. I don't own a touch screen laptop or desktop yet but I can only imagine that just making Win 8 even better.
Regarding multiselect, I was refering to selecting multiple objects on the desktop or within Explorer using [Shift]-LMB or [CTRL]-LMB , or by dragging a frame around the objects. Somehow it never occurred to me to just right click multiple items - In W7 any click without modifier automatically deselects the previous items. Thanks for pointing that out - that will greatly help in the future when I next install a desktop application and end up with some 15 new 'apps' on the start screen...
Obviously we're using PCs very differently, and that is probably the main reason why we are of such a different opinion: I rarely use search on my PC (maybe 2-3 times a month), I don't use social networks, and only occasionally play media. I use and develop complex CAD/CAM tools and play games the require a lot of resources and high precision input. A touch screen simply doesn't work for me, nor an UI that is designed around the assumptions you are using one.
You can (grab at top + pull to bottom, ALT+F4 for everything but the start screen, Or on desktop ram mouse to top left, then right-click app and select close) - it's just very badly executed. Typical Microsoft. Somewhen around Windows 11, it will be cool.
I guess Microsoft just wanted an App Store like all the other big guys.
It's just ... badly executed. Typical Microsoft.