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The really dangerous marketers are the ones that know the way to R&D and talk to us; if you're foolish enough to tell them about your latest blue sky project, they want, want, want, and pretty soon it's on the list of future features before you even get past feasibility.
Not only marketers, everyone waits for a developer. The director of an internet publishing dept told me that his dept was in fact the corporate communication center. He had to participate in almost every meeting in the corporation.
Wow, I was hoping this kind of stuff was stopping, not getting worse.
While some of the points are not so far out there, the level of insanity is quite high.
It reminded me of an interview for a lead developer position. The company was behind schedule,
it was all the developers fault, of course. They were hiring me to get them over the hump and
lead things better after that. But get this. They bought a Major Ad spot in 3 magazines, that
were going to start the next month. They were clearly 90 days behind being able to do this.
Lets just say... I didn't take the job. I ran from that interview.
And the funny part, is that on another team, I had a marketing guy pull me and and write on MY Whiteboard:
Product - Sales = Shht! (without the typo)
So I wrote up there:
Sales - Product = Fraud!
After a short while of talking it out, we got each other, and it all went quite well after that.
He agreed to not market what we don't have, and I agreed to push for ONE "MARKETING" feature per quarter
to make it in the software.
There seem to be some legit frustrations in what the author is saying, but he is clueless when it comes to blaming the developers, it sounds like a collection of management/process issues.
What really struck me is when he says that:
"All landing pages have a lot in common: they include compelling sales copy supported by a nice image or video, and they invite the visitor to press a big, shiny button or to fill out a lead generation form. Nothing crazy here — no animation, no bells or whistles. So why the heck would you need a coder to do this for you?"
So, in other words, if he can't see a bunch of fancy animations on the page then it must not take any coding at all. Nevermind that the fancy visual stuff is the designer's territory and not much of a coding thing. Nevermind what happens when that button is clicked.
He is clearly absolutely clueless about back-end processing, which shows that he has absolutely no idea about what the developers are actually doing. Which makes his rant about developers asinine.
Starting a couple of days ago, I've been seeing the site in plain html mode, no color, etc. in chrome. When I check the messages, it seems I'm getting a too many redirects message, so the script and css are not loading. Anyone else experience this? Sorry if this has already been asked, I can't see the messageboard in it's original format anymore
Mike Hankey does not, in fact, own a hankie.
Not many people know that the word Panky was added after his name in honour of his legendary Don Juan status, leading to this becoming common usage
Mike Hankey invented oxygen. Prior to Mike Hankey, people died very young
Mike Hankey is capable of time travel. He is, in fact, his own brother, grandfather and 3rd uncle on his mothers side.
Mike Hankey is the real name of Bob
But personally, I stopped dealing with "promotions" and "raises" years ago...as a matter of fact, I stopped dealing with being an "employee" years ago.
I set my rate at the highest that I feel the market will bear. I work for whichever buyer has the most interesting crap to do and will pay me what I demand. When that contract ends, I repeat the process; in this way, I do my best to never leave money on the table and I never have to justify to some middling manager that I "deserve" more.
Rule of thumb: if I'm not terminated in a year, I'm not charging them enough.
Interesting: I have a number of rates!
It varies by length of task: shorter is more expensive; by hassle factor: more hassle == more money; by payment record: pay my invoice slowly, you pay more next time.
And added to that is the basic hourly rate which comes in two varieties: one for customers I like to work with, and a much, much higher ones for ones I don't.
You looking for sympathy?
You'll find it in the dictionary, between sympathomimetic and sympatric
(Page 1788, if it helps)
I barely have the time to fart these days, with family and job, and all. If I had to make a living from self employment or contract work, I don't know how I would have the time to frequent the forums on a regular basis.
Typically there is enough work around for clients that I want to deal with that I don't have to worry about working for clients that I don't want to deal with. But, it goes without saying that I don't want to sell to customers that I don't want to deal with lol. So, if I set a price for them *and they accept it*, I didn't set my rate high enough and that's a miscalculation on my part. The point of my price for them is to price myself out of the market, but when I talk about my "market rate" I mean the rate that clears the market; not an asking price that gets rejected.
I typically land contracts that fully allocate me to a single client at a time, so when I say "THE rate" it comes down to my market rate at the time that I negotiated 'my current' deal. I've never had to lower it, but that's not saying that I never will. ...but this "economic downturn" has been very busy and a very profitable one.
BTW, True story: A friend of mine had a computer store years ago and there was one customer who always came in and hassled him. My friend just smiled and whenever the customer bought something, he added a one liner to the invoice/receipt: "Pita charge 15%."
One day the customer finally asked what the "Pita charge" was for. After the acronym was explained, my friend's competitors never forgave him.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software