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GeneralRe: Nice one Microsoft... Pin
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GeneralWhy Telerik Sucks Today Pin
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I bought Telerik's MVC5 UI crap (the absolute latest version, 2019.1.blah bah blah), and here are some initial observations:

It comes with VS extensions that are more marketing hype than anything useful, but one of the extensions is for converting existing solutions to "Telerick MVC5 apps". By converting, it means that it adds the telerik crap to your app. Oh, and by the way, that means HUNDREDS of "culture" files - without asking if you need the culture files.

Next, I created a MVC5 app, and ran update-package to get the newest of everything (remember my rant a few days ago about Bootstrap?), fixed the bootstrap problems, and then "converted" that app. I ran it to see if the site looked okay, and nothing seemed any more out of place than it did before the conversion.

Next, I used their project template to create a telerik app. This is where things started to go sideways. When I ran the app to check it out, it looked like the old MVC3/4 layout. Upon further investigation, I discovered that they also use bootstrap 3 instead of bootstrap 4. This is all well and good until you go to their sass theme builder (not knowing they use bootstrap 3) and try to build a bootstrap 4 theme for your site.

And because their controls aren't 100% compatible with bootstrap, they provide their own bootstrap css adjustments - for bootstrap 3. This means their theme builder generated bootstrap 4 css files don't work for sh|t in your site.

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Telerik is what we use at work. I cannot change that fact. It's nice (and I'm sure) that there are "better" libraries from other vendors, but discussions in that regard do me absolutely no good, and are relegated to annectdotal information that doesn't fix Telerik.

I have a feeling it won't be too long before Telerik bans me from their support forums, because the less happy I am, the more overtly caustic my messages become...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013


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