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Gerry Schmitz25-Jun-19 8:16
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obermd25-Jun-19 3:59
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Gerry Schmitz25-Jun-19 8:19
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Andrew L. Meador25-Jun-19 8:44
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Gerry Schmitz25-Jun-19 9:10
mveGerry Schmitz25-Jun-19 9:10 
You're assuming "senior developers" are expensive.

If I can't stand the job, pay is irrelevant.

I see (some kind of cert) as protecting the "consumer" (not the developer).

Certs are NOT a problem for "cheap customers". I say the opposite: it helps in some way to narrow the field when you're shopping.

My customers have been "lucky" because they had no IT department; no one to second-guess me. I delivered the goods because that's who I am, even though most had no clue who and what they were getting involved with.

Yes, some "cred" would make them feel a little easier ... even when there's not a lot of money at stake.

But in the end, it will make no difference because "users don't know what you don't know".

But at least "I know what I know" (and what I didn't).

And certification, in my experience, is not about reciting some obscure op codes.

It's also about problem-solving, managing, risk assessment, thinking ... you know: "soft" skills.
The Master said, 'Am I indeed possessed of knowledge? I am not knowing. But if a mean person, who appears quite empty-like, ask anything of me, I set it forth from one end to the other, and exhaust it.'
― Confucian Analects

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