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If "you pythonians" are so sensitive and "tired of this criticism", I suggest that whenever you see any critical remark about Python, you leave that discussion thread immediately.

When you answer to voices critical to Python semantic indentation with a "tired of this critisism", it is very close to "shut up - we don't want to hear about it", only your opinion about Python should be heard. When I am told, directly or indirectly, to shut up, it is not strawmanning to infer that you believe you have The Right Answer on the issue.

When you state that you "are tired of this critisism", it is quite clearly a request from you to stop the critisism. Even though I clearly understand you that way, I still made it conditional, if it is so, then... That is not an "ad hominem attack", it is drawing conclusions based on your statement, on the condition that I have interpreted it correctly. An given that explicit condition, it is certainly not strawmanning. Others may read "us Pythonians are tired of this critisism" as "we welcome critical opinions on this issue", but I guess the way I read it is more like the common interpretation.

Sure, we use indentation to ease reading in almost all modern programming languages, but the critisism was on the semantics of indentation - which is non-existent in C. You were the one who brought in C indentation, and then you blame me for strawmanning when I reject your invalid parallels between Python and C. Isn't that sort of turning things upside-down?

I pointed out that Python semantic indentation is conceptually different from C layout for readability, and you suggest that I am "really stupid" and I "fail to understand" (but this is of course not ad hominem attacks...).

I cannot suggest that you seem to not grasp the difference between assigning semantics to whitespace and not assigning semantics to whitespace - that would be another ad hominem attack, so I am not saying so. I must assume that you understand the difference. But then - maybe because I am "really stupid" honestly "fail to understand" why you, with your full comprehension of semantics and non-semantics, do not see the relevance to Strostrups proposal to assign semantics to whitespace to the degree that you can treat whitespace as an operator. He shows the absurdity of whitespace semantics by suggesting that even the abscence of something that (in C) is without semantics should be given a semantic interpretation... Actually, that is the case in Python: Remove some whitespace in a Python program, and its semantics change. But appearenly, I am too stupid to understand why you do not see the relevance.

My stupidity is also displayed by wasting time replying to your post. I will try to control it by not answering to whatever you respond with to this.
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