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You are right (as is Dawkins) in pointing to the absence of a "teleological engine" in evolution. S. J. Gould emphasized that existing functional traits can be abandoned, as well as new mutations thriving, in the right circumstances.

Given the simple life-forms homo saps evolved from, I see no reason to conclude that these early in the game software tools may never evolve into "whatevers" that are now the plots of innumerable sci-fi, and horror, movies. I believe machine/computational consciousness is possible, and probable, although I believe I will not see it in my lifetime.

It took six-million years and 250k generations for Saps to to get from gorilla to hominid: along the way we somehow chose the species suicidal strategy of big heads that had trouble getting through the birth canal, a female menstrual cycle (of around 5000 mammal species: unique to Homo Saps) involving enough loss of blood to threaten anemia during famine, short guts, and giving birth to "living fetuses" that require long periods of total care while their big brains got juiced-up:
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In comparison to other apes, we are born prematurely, and this can be measured very clearly in neural growth, which, while it slows sharply after birth in chimpanzees, continues at a rate of a quarter of a million neurons per minute in human babies until the age of one.
Timothy Taylor, "The Artificial Ape." [^]

Homo Saps, through technology, has insulated itself from the qualitative selection pressures other life-forms face. We are outside the classic Darwinian paradigm.

I think an interesting hypothesis is that at some point Homo Saps becomes the biological agents of artificial intelligences: we carry out the genetic engineering to create the symbiotic embodiments (hardware, wetware, software) instrumental to the further evolution of the AI's. Animal-human hybrids: coming up, now: "Human-animal hybrids are to be developed in embryo form in Japan after the government approved controversial stem-cell research." [^].

Perhaps an analogy is the way the life cycle of the parasite toxoplasma gondii [^] has "engineered" mice to be less afraid of cats as a method of replicating in its desired site, the cat brain.

Cat => Mouse => Cat : AI => Saps => AI

Landing gear lowered.
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot


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