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Those are all very good points.
It also reminds me of the

Two Distinct Parts of Business
1. building
2. selling

Its also the two distinct types of workers
1. builders (Wozniak)
2. sellers (Jobs)

You can't have one with the other.

Agile tends to be focused on The Builders.
It's a great method for getting Builders to drive the thing.

The Sellers really should drive the product to where it is supposed to be and _SHOULD_ own the product.


Marc Clifton wrote:
the problem with Agile (well, one of many) is that it's a concept intended to maintain the illusion that the developers are in control of the product, when in reality they are not.


Product Owner
This should be the part of the Product Owner. The Product Owner simply "contracts" devs to get the shtuff done. The developers shouldn't own the product. The Product Owner should be a person who is as motivated as Jobs to "Get it right!!!" and "Don't build crap!"
But the Seller must also KNOW EXACTLY what the product MUST be.

But, have you ever seen that in a company? Very rare!

So, the devs end up making the lion's share of final decisions.
They are way down the pipe and only seeing one part of the elephant and thinking it is one thing or the other: no overall vision.

And, as you said, it all falls apart.

modified 8-Aug-19 14:04pm.

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