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I'm trying to link that to some other words. It's search a difficult topic, SEO I'll stop here.
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Yes, you get a striking number.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
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Well, I got none at match dot com.
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Try heiferbabes.com. 
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Probably, we need both.
Avoidance is the best policy, but once we have been exposed we need to know as soon as possible to prevent infecting others (and to trace our contacts and find out who gave it to us in case they don't know they are infectious).
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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Remember: The incubation period may be up to 14 days. When you get this warning through the app, maybe is is 14 days late; it is just about ready to break out for you.
Even if you were infected five days ago, it still is much to late. The app can't tell you how long ago since you were possibly infected - anything between a few hours and two weeks. It doesn't really help you much to know that you for an indeterminate time, up to two weeks, may have been walking around infecting others. That is in the past.
What reduces infections is staying at a good distance from "everybody else".
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The tools will use Bluetooth radio technology to support apps that will be developed by public health authorities.
Hmm, bluetooth to California? Not likely.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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Reading the strength of the BT signal to determine the distance is not quite as bad as using a random number generator.
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littleGreenDude wrote: This is a reactive solution not proactive. We need something to let us avoid exposure, not just let us know when we've been exposed.
How do you propose this sort of thing work without the unintentional side-effects?
If someone's phone tells them so-and-so who's nearby is infected, you just know this will turn into a confrontation for some people. And you know that, depending on both parties, this has the potential to escalate. Tensions are already high, and some can take it out on the wrong people.
Be careful for what you wish for.
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If you get sick from covid-19 yourself, you should pick up your phone and call everyone that you have been at an unsafe distance from the last week or two, and suggest that they are being tested. That is all the app does. You can do it manually.
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Member 7989122 wrote: You can do it manually
... If you have the contact details of everyone you have come within ten feet of in every street, building, train, bus, etc.
You could also paint a black spot on your door, or wear a physical flag/icon/indicator on your clothes -- a Star of David, for example.
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True, but at least here in Norway, the plan is to raise the flag only if you have been within two meters of an infected person for fifteen minutes or more. Those you pass on the street or at the grocery store or wherever, for a brief moment, will not be included. That of course makes the app completely useless for its stated purpose.
Of course it makes it possible to realize the system: It probably reduces the amount of data, and processing, by two to three orders of magnitude, maybe even more. I know who I have been within 2 meters of for 15 minutes or more, without needing an app for it; they are very few.
I got the impression that the great majority of alternative apps (maybe all) will require that you are within 2 m / 6 ft for some period of time before filing it as possible infection encounter. Walking past 200 people on the street, being within 1 m for a small fraction of a second, is ignored. If it was not, you would have a line of a thousand people waiting in line for testing. If they keep the 2 m distance, the line would be two kilometers long 
Maybe the Norwegian limit of 15 min is extremely high, though. If anyone can tell the limit in other countries / apps, I'd be curious.
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Member 7989122 wrote: Walking past 200 people on the street, being within 1 m for a small fraction of a second, is ignored.
Not necessarily ignored by the virus. You might get infected at such conditions too.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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Yes but this is about probability, not exceptions
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For those who understand Swedish: Tage Danielsson - Om sannolikhet - YouTube[^]
("About probabilities" - the entire monologue is based on the Swedish word for probability, "truth-like", so a direct translation of the lines is bound to fail)
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Didn't know he was known outside Sweden.
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In Norway, most definitely so. All of Hasse & Tage. Maybe not so much among teenagers, but "everyone" above 40 has great memories of movies like Äppelkriget and Picassos äventyr, and know many of the songs from the scene shows. "Änglamark", from the song in the Äppelkriget movie, has given name to a series of ecologial products marketed by the Norwegian Coop (maybe the brand is used by Coop Sweden as well).
However, lots of their material is difficult or impossible to translate to English without significant loss. It was never translated to Norwegian, we listened to it in Swedish. Even "sannolikhet" cannot be translated to Norwegian without loosing the main point; we say "sannsynlighet".
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Being less probable, doesn't make it an exception.
And even if it would be, it brings no additional value to such app
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I don't like improbable either, can we settle on unlikely?
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Deal  
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Exactly. So I consider the app next to worthless. In any case: None of these apps do anything to stop the virus. They just report later (up to two weeks) that you may have been close to someone (not identified) who was infected.
Staying at 2 m distance even in the street has far greater effect than installing this app on your smartphone!
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Member 7989122 wrote: Staying at 2 m distance even in the street has far greater effect than installing this app on your smartphone!
Member 7989122 wrote: They just report later (up to two weeks) that you may have been close to someone (not identified) who was infected.
I would already know... because I would be already ill. Heck, depending on how hard it hits me, I could be already in the healing process after two weeks.
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I wonder how they intend to measure 2 m reliably?
Assuming they intend to use bluetooth, different phones have quite varying signal strengths, and the antennas isn't isotropic at all.
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Exactly - it is a joke.
Yes, antennas vary a lot, even if the phones use the same BT chip.
Lots of (most? all?) BT chips allow software control of transmission power, so even for a given phone model you can't be sure of the transmission power.
When you walk past a person, if you both keep your phones in the pocket towards the other person, the signal essentially goes in free air. If you both switch the phone to the opposite pocket, the distance between the phones increase by at least four feet and the signals must pass through two bodies on their way.
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