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Tried it, steep learning curve, graphics are meh, no tutorial and my creations kept crashing.
On the other hand, it's a huge open world, lots of freedom, more development than in any other game.
Worst story ever though, first you have to create some program, but then someone decides something else is more important, it really skips from one subject to another and there's no end in sight...
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honey the codewitch wrote: PS4 really has very few great games for it
Maybe the problem is not the games, but your taste?
There's probably thousands of games 
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Yeah it sucks, only liking good games. 
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Well, here are some of the best:
Borderlands: The Handsome Collection (Borderlands 2 and the Pre-Sequel)
Borderlands 3
Ni No Kuni
Dragon Quest XI
NieR: Automata
Horizon: Zero Dawn
God of War
Persona 5
Crash Bandicoot Remastered
Final Fantasy XV (OK, not the best, but decent)
On that note, older FF games (VII, VIII, IX) are also available on PS4.
FFX Remastered and FFXII Zodiac Age are still really good!
And of course the new Final Fantasy VII Remake (haven't played it yet)
Love the old Kingdom Hearts as well!
I've heard very good things about The Witcher as well, although I haven't played it (mostly because I'm afraid it'll suck me in for 100's of hours of gameplay)
Maybe that's not a lot of games, but it's only the tip of the iceberg and it's still 1000's of hours of game play 
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I have FFX and FFX-2 on PS4 (and PS3 but my PS3 broke)
God of War annoyed me, though I can acknowledge it's a great franchise, just not my thing
Borderlands I've wanted to get into but I don't want to spend what they're asking without trying it first. I'm afraid of buyer's remorse. I'm not into FPS centric games. Closest I get are action games like GTAV and RDR.
What I really want right now, is Fallout 5, and none of that chintzy 76 crap. I am in love with the franchise but I've put so many hours into what's out now that playing through again just isn't in the cards this year.
Also I might be losing some of my fine motor control, and if that's true I probably want games I can grind to stay ahead of stat wise or are otherwise RPG oriented so I don't have to rely so heavily on my button mashing skills.
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What you really want is a game that stimulate the mind and will keep surprising you for a long time. It's been around about 40 years and is still maintained - last update was, if I recall correctly, Feb 2020.
What I am talking about (pushing) is the freeware open source: Dungeon Crawl[^] A descendant of Rogue, if that means anything to you.
Part of the entertainment value is the amazing richness of the thing. Although, when I played it as Rogue it only used ASCII chars, I recommend the tile version. It has a definitely learning curve and the only pattern I could say I've observed is what you do at any particular time is dependent upon the particular circumstances of that particular game. You can try to make the wisest choice but; well; you keep learning.
I've settle down to be a "Demonspawn Berserker", worshiper of Trog. I prefer to use axes . . .
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I'll give it a go, thanks
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A few notes if you've not yet discovered them:
1 - this game has perma-death. When you're gone you start over: new dungeon, etc.
2 - if you need some clues, aside from those avialable withing the game, TRY[^] - but only as necessary to avoid possible spoilers of the "they thought of that !?" that keeps arising.
3 - I played an ancient ancestor, Epyx Rogue, which came on a single-sided 180KB floppy. It took me five years to win. Even near the end, some new events surprised me.
4 - things like potions change each game - the names may re-appear but it's a different potion for that particular game. Ditto for scrolls and anything else that's vague in identity. You read/quaff/wield for an identity or identify it by other means.
5 - visit the various alter and see what each god has to offer. Mine (Trog) gives me ammo and weapons and a few powers as I earn them but I am forbidden to use magic.
The variety is extraordinary.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Closest I get are action games like GTAV and RDR.
Now you're speaking my language. I've quit playing games altogether decades ago, but to this day still make an exception for the GTA series. I still haven't gotten into RDR2 however. I'm gonna wait until I'm sick and tired of GTA Online - I don't want to have two of these on the go at the same time...
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Okay, so RDR2 is too realistic. Remember Gran Turismo 4? Like that. It's a western simulator. You lose your horse in the middle of nowhere he's gone. You're walking. You get hungry. You get tired. Things will eat you.
The map is huge. Riding to mexico feels like ... riding to mexico - on horseback. If you don't brush your horse periodically he gets slower. You have to feed him periodically if you're riding hard, kind of like the first one, but you can only carry one sidearm on you at once, so you're very reliant on your horse for carrying weapons. You have to bow hunt in this game. Guns make too much noise, and ruin the pelts you get so you can't make things with them - the only way to get satchel upgrades is tracking and hunting. It's slow. You get hungry. You have to sleep. Things will eat you. etc.
RDR 1 was the pace you'd expect of rockstar and was a fantastic game that's worth picking up an old ps3 to play by itself. RDR 2 ... not so much. It's a beautiful game - masterfully done - but the pace will bore you into a coma. It's like watching the Godfather series that way.
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honey the codewitch wrote: It's like watching the Godfather series that way
Blasphemy!
I'm the type who can sometimes enjoy a game for little more than the sandbox environment it presents you with, not necessarily for the 'action' parts. I just might enjoy it the way it is...
But like I said...I'll wait 'til I get bored of GTAO before getting it. One of the advantages of playing as few games as I do, and often waiting a long time to play them, is that by the time I get to play it, the hardware will run it plenty fast and most of the bugs will have been worked out...
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I don't have a PS4, but one game that ate up all of my free time recently, for several weeks, was the PC game Factorio. That game's automation just does something to me...
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Dusted off oldie - started Starcraft V1 with all the cheat codes!
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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I heard the the new Wastelander extension to Fallout 76 made it finally good enough!  
In fact.. I just bought Fallout 76, we shall see...
But yeah, I have the same super power.. Being chronically sick I can't say my life changed much with the lock-down! 
Although... I made health breakthrough at the same time it started so.. it in fact improved!
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well that's good to hear. Lockdown was tolerable for me. Quarantine is a bit much, but I'll manage. My lawn will grow another foot LOL
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Best wishes for a quick recovery !
I'm waiting for you to distill your oceans of code into a small lake that a mere mortal could fish in with a chance of pulling out a DSL creation tool.
cheers, Bill
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
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Thanks. It wasn't me that got sick. We rent a room to a friend, and he got sick, so we're all in quarantine. He's better now, so he'll be able to leave before we do. Funny, that.
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In their offices? I still see people talking about working from home that live in Europe. The US was sort of last to get the virus but seems like we are opening back up before Europe.
Georgia USA, in particular starts to open back up on Friday with more opening Monday but still with a shelter-in-place order through the end of the month. Seems contradictory somewhat, but OK. I'm just going along for the ride. I work from home everyday so it does not impact me nearly that much.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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UK still in lockdown for another couple of weeks at least. The instruction is to work from home if you possibly can; and if you must go to work, to social distance (6') where possible. All non-food shops closed (apart from pharmacies, off-licenses ("liquor stores"), and a very few other classes. Some trains and buses still running but reduced services and you may be challenged. Some ferries stopped running. Doctors doing remote consultations only. People allowed to go to work if necessary; plus you're allowed shopping "for essentials" as infrequently as possible, plus one outing for exercise per day, social distancing to be observed always.
In practice most people are obeying most of the rules most of the time. Then there are idiots just carrying on as normal. We have a scheme whereby employers can furlough you (lay you off temporarily) and the government will pay you 80% of your normal salary (up to a certain level). This means we've not (yet) seen the massive spike in unemployment that the US has; but what happens when things re-open but people don't, for instance, sit around in crowded coffee shops, go to the cinema etc is anyone's guess.
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I have been doing around 50% the whole time. And although it is kind of comfortable and cheaper (almost 100 km / day savings), I am more inclined to work in the office.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I haven't stopped working as I work for an essential service business, however, our company is running from home apart from the staff who are required to physical work on equipment.
In New Zealand we are in lockdown, but that will start to ease up on Tuesday next week (since Monday is a public holiday for us). Yesterday we only had 6 new cases of which 4 were from citizens returning from overseas.
All going well the next phrase of reduced lockdown will be in two weeks after that.
The plan and hope is to eradicate Covid completely from our shores.
A Fine is a Tax for doing something wrong
A Tax is a Fine for doing something good.
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RossMW wrote: Yesterday we only had 6 new cases of which 4 were from citizens returning from overseas.
Really? That's great! 
RossMW wrote: is to eradicate Covid completely from our shores.
I don't think that is possible. We're too small of a world now. It will be everywhere, if it hasn't been already.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Well, that's the plan. Everyone who comes into the country get put in isolation for a fortnight and the outbreak is now down to about 400 active cases and bugger all new cases.
It just a matter of keeping it out until a vaccine is available. That's the theory and aim.
Australia is in a similar position and since we have nice big moats, it could be achievable.
A Fine is a Tax for doing something wrong
A Tax is a Fine for doing something good.
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RossMW wrote: It just a matter of keeping it out until a vaccine is available.
Ya, OK. I see.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I'm lucky, I can work from home with my work PC and good internet connection to access company wide resources.
I think that I will be working from home for a long time, maybe at least until June or July; there are no reason that I need to be onsite.
Within 5 minutes from home, I have access to quality shops for food and booze.
I will probably need a haircut sometimes soon, but if they do not open hair salon, I will chop it up.
Locally, the main concern is school and how to open them up safely.
I'd rather be phishing!
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