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This may rapidly degenerate to soapbox and a locked thread.
It would be best solved if those who wore masks, social-distanced, and etc., got priority when hospital beds get scarce (or scarcer in many places).
For those who call it a hoax . . . we'll be kind enough to send the meat-wagon.
It's all the continuing dialectic set up with the concept "your rights end where the next person's rights begin" - but everyone, some more than others, seem to want to spray more territory than is, in fact theirs. From each side . . . . obviously it's the "them".
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I took that same position very early on ... but you can bet those same "demonstrators" will bring their squirrel guns if Mama can't get into the emergency room.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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They way some of these fanatics behave - kidnapping plots on public officials or even earlier, entering the state house (Michigan if I recall) with weapons.
I'd say the hospital security guards should gun them down if they arrive at the hospital armed.
As the Army Rangers say, in their unofficial motto: "Shoot 'em all, let G-d sort them out".
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: This may rapidly degenerate to soapbox and a locked thread.
If I was the OP, posting this crap here in the Lounge, I would be banned. Just saying...
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Slacker007 wrote: Just saying...
And you've "said" before.
I will suggest a difficult task: If you are particularly singling out my posts then perhaps you need to try to determine if there's a qualitative difference. I have no illusions as to how difficult this would be if you asked the same of me.
Now, if it's the topic as a whole and you're pointing it out to me for historical purposes, I do agree it's something I'd not have initiated, either. It's just begging for an outbreak.
At the least, take note of my final statement: fully recognizing that opinions vary and stealing a bit from Proverbs: ". . . every man is right in his own eyes . . ."
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Balboos, I am referring to the OP of this thread. OP == Original Poster and the original post.
I was not referring to you or anything you wrote.
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As I noted in my post and pointed it out - I understand fully what you mean.
As to how and why what happens to what? I don't know the full history of everything that goes on around here. I've made, certainly in the soapbox days, some pretty nasty posts. I hope they're gone from the data and not stored in the Wayback archive.
I have the weakness of not being able to leave some things unanswered/uncommented. Outside the soapbox I try to be more measured and an anti-inflammatory whilst still maintaining my principals. Or so I tell myself.
We are all trapped: we see the world from behind our own eyes.
You know, walking a few miles in someone else's moccasins and all that.
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Several studies, including one released by Danish researchers in mid-November, have shown that masks will not prevent you from being infected by any virus, including COV-SARS-2. This is because viruses are simply so small that they can slip through the mask. Smoke particles from wild fires are much larger and masks don't help their either, so they're not listed as a method to protect yourself from smoke inhalation.
What masks can do is block viruses that hitch a ride on water vapor when you exhale. Staying at least 2 meters (7.8 feet) apart will provide the same gap for everything except a cough or sneeze.
Based on these repeated studies, we should be pushing masks as a way to prevent any viral particles someone is carrying from being spread.
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You are then not versed in the electro-static qualities of a proper N95 mask. (Pennies on the mask at Princess Auto when I bought them on a whim before the virus).
https://rk.md/2020/how-do-n95-masks-work/
You need to study the "right" studies.
One of the more important bits of information that is also generally lacking is protecting THE EYES.
I wear my sunglasses at night
So I can, so I can
Watch you weave then breathe your story lines.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
modified 30-Nov-20 11:34am.
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: You need to study the "right" studies.
Yes, the ones that agree with my point of view.
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: I wear my sunglasses at night
So I can, so I can
Watch you weave then breathe your story lines.
Gee thanks, now it's in my head. That's abuse I tell ya!
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
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"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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obermd wrote: hat masks can do is block viruses that hitch a ride on water vapor when you exhale.
Which is the way the leave your body.
In fact, originally, trapping particles from the wearer was the proposed sole purpose of the mask: to protect your neighbor and they, you. Indeed, they can stop inbound, too.
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Here you need to distinguish between different masks.
FFP-2/FFP-3/N-95/N-99 will indeed reduce the amount of virus particles by 95-99%, but also remember that i won't spread as single virus particles but as small droplets. So if worn properly, it works!
Medical masks such as those used in that Danish study aren't meant to protect the wearer, and they don't. They are meant to protect the patient from foreign particles breathed by the wearer, and they do.
So, what about home made cloth masks? Well there are no proper cluster-studies out on that yet. There's one study coming really soon, but it's not out yet AFAIK.
Anyway, a thin one layer neck gaiter probably won't do much good, but a multilayered mask will probably catch most particles you breath out, which definitely is better than not wearing one at all.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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Agreed. Even those of us in the Flat Earth Society wear masks.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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why not post this elsewhere. like reddit or 4chan.
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Who is demonstrating against wearing masks?
The truth is there are crazies on all sides. Those that think masks do absolutely nothing and those that think not wearing them is the same as murder. One just needs to use common sense and the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.
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This is the Internet. Stop trying to be reasonable!!!
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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glad it is back online.
EDIT: I have been told a cache server went down.
modified 30-Nov-20 10:52am.
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Yeah, some people started hyperventilating here.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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The whole site went bad ... I saw "-16 currently active sessions" at one point!
Glad it's back though.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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A bit funny for programmers' site. Maybe a health check indicator would be useful.
Medice, cura te ipsum 
Mircea
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I know for a fact that it was a sneak attack by agents of StackOverflow.
That being said, we are all in a lot of trouble as, without CP to smooth the road, we have all had little else to do but . . . wait for it . . . just a bit longer . . . almost there . . . . work.
On top of that, the enhanced productivity that may have occurred will increase the future burden of expectations by management types: peripheral damage.
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I thought four-letter words were banned here work
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Yeah, all the other site that I have saved logins worked so I knew it wasn't on my end. I figured, they're coders. They'll fix it. 
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