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Hi all, hope everyone is having a good day 
I was wondering, is there anyone on here that does freelance work so that they can work very little?
I'm somewhat sick and tired of working for a company and having to show committment - I am not very good at drawing a clear line to separate work and life and I am also not very good at pushing to do mainly stuff I enjoy at work. So, lately I've been toying with the idea of dropping my day job and get my freedom back to define exactly how many days a week I want to work for money and how many days I want to just code, or just be with my kids or help out my local community.
But I'm not sure this is actually doable, without starving!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Nicole
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Dycz wrote: without starving!
I think that may be the key part to your question. 
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Find a patron/admirer/spouse/easy-mark who'll support you and then all is well.
I've taken a different route. I've (just about) always done just what I want to earn my vegetables. Like a lifetime of being paid to play for a living. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean I've not worked like a dog for extended periods. Possibly, that's part of the charm: even working super-hard was rewarded with having done something I like. Other times, I've just played around and then "sold them" what I did just for recreation. Actually, some of the best stuff.
It's a different type of freedom - and someone else's checkbook (i.e., not self employed). the trick is to know exactly what will make you feel free. Bill collectors at the door usually isn't part of that.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Find a patron/admirer/spouse/easy-mark who'll support you and then all is well.
Aye, there's the rub...
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Before going freelance, there are a few points to remember:
- When calculating your current gross income, remember to add in perks such as health insurance paid by your employer, matching pension funds, etc.
- When calculating what you must charge as a freelancer, you must add in those costs, the cost of any additional taxes you must pay (e.g. in some countries the equivalent of Social Security is paid partly by the employer and partly by the employee; freelancers must pay the entire sum), and allow for the probability that you may not be working 100% of the time.
- DON'T FORGET to continue depositing into any pension fund you may have.
- It takes time to get your name put around, and even longer to build up a loyal clientele. Make sure you have enough savings to survive this startup period.
Good luck!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Thanks
Yes, I suspected there might be quite a lot of work to do in terms of defining how much I should quote for jobs. And yes, I have considered perks and stuff - although I am in the UK which at least means the health insurance side is trivial *for now* state health care is free and good quality.
Thanks for pointing all of this out, though.
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A few more things to think about:
What you quote for a job and what the customer is willing to pay may differ, and not in your favor.
Most contracts in my area are 40+ hours/week, so the customer may not want part-time folks. Part time jobs are out there, but the pickings are slimmer.
When self-employed you must plan for downtime -- there is no paid vacation or holidays.
A new contract may not be available when the last one finishes, so there may be gaps between jobs.
When I was independent my goal was 1,800 billable hours per year, but I planned my financials around 1,600 hours. This allowed for down time before the next contract. If I was able to bill more than 1,800? Great! It gave me more cushion between contracts.
This means marketing before the current contract is finished, to line up the next one. Successfully becoming an independent consultant/contractor takes planning and effort.
Working less may not work out ...
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Yes, but I'm not the primary bread winner. Some months it's very little work, and some months there's a lot.
I have the same issues you do. It makes freelancing more difficult in terms of that work/life boundary because you don't typically have an office to go to, just for starters.
You know, if I were you, I'd
A) consider contracting, which is kind of a happy medium. That way you can take a 3-6 month project and then take whatever break you need to or can afford.
B) consider taking freelance work on the side. Start with something small. If you have some tech writing abilities consider working with ContentLab.io and producing a couple of articles. They work with people who have day jobs all the time. Post on upwork (fka odesk), and you can be very selective about the work you take. Once you get yourself a bread and butter client you'll probably be *forced* to consider quitting your day job, and IMO it's a much better position to be in than hoping it works out.
Sometimes freelance works, and other times it flops.
Real programmers use butterflies
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Thanks
This is very useful, I will check out ContentLab and Upwork and see what they look like. I am considering contracting. In fact I am actually considering even retraining to another profession at the moment! Something that would be more part-time able. I am the bread winner at the moment, but my partner does have a full time job (which doesn't pay a lot, but it's quite secure) so I guess I don't necessarily have to be the bread winner forever. I will see. But again, thanks for your tips really useful to get all options down on the table before I make any kind of move.
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Dycz wrote: so that they can work very little?
Dycz wrote: I'm somewhat sick and tired of working for a company and having to show committment
you have a few options, some are illegal, some may get you a venereal disease or two or three, but all should provide you the freedom, and reward you are looking for with little effort or work.
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doubleplus unfunny!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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where is your sense of humor? that was triple plus funny.
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- I refer you to the Posting Rules for the Lounge, specifically rules 1 & 5,
- A professional colleague asked for advice about becoming a freelance programmer. Do you really believe that suggesting illegal activities or prostitution is in any way appropriate?
- If you posted this in the Soap Box, it might pass muster. In the Lounge? Definitely not!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I also say: not appropriate
modified 27-Mar-21 21:01pm.
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My kid sister says it's OK so +5 from me.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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some people on this site are way too sensitive and fragile.
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Agreed.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Wait until your kid sister Quote: some are illegal, some may get you a venereal disease or two or three, but all should provide you the freedom, and reward you are looking for with little effort or work.
modified 27-Mar-21 21:01pm.
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Jeeze, lighten up a little bit. It wasn't politics OR vaccine related, so how bad could it be?
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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In seriousness, people think that kind of work is easy. It's not. And it's dangerous, especially for women.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I went freelance 25+ years ago, and have never regretted it. The first 10 years I was mainly "bum-on-seat" contracting through agencies. Pay was good, work was continuous, but you were treated like s**t and expected to be worth every last penny and many, many more.
Managed to first go part-time remote, then part-time fully remote, before such a thing was "a thing" and it gave me freedom to find other smaller clients. Got lots of very small gigs on Rent-a-Coder, VWorker, Freelancer.com, PeoplePerHour etc. and that's much more interesting, and you learn a lot more too. Got some small gigs become very big long-term relationships. In my case that was very good for the income, very bad for the stress. When you're freelancing there's no-one else to share the load with, especially if you're working with small businesses and you ARE the IT department. But the satisfaction can be very high.
I semi-retired a few years ago (when I was 58), and am "just" supporting a handful of clients whose businesses depend on my systems. In theory I should be working about half-a-day a week and living off past earnings. But as is always the way, they often ALL come up with urgent issues (either support issues, or enhancements) at once; I currently have 3 clients ALL with major projects competing for my time. In winter I don't care too much (esp. in lockdown) but I'd be mightily fed up if this happened in the summer. (It has done in the past). I remember family holidays in Iceland and remote parts of Scotland, trying to get a signal to log on over RDP and fix some production glitch or other. Doesn't go down too well!
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Dycz wrote: anyone on here that does freelance work so that they can work very little?
Make sure you mention that last point to potential contractorsees; I'm sure they'll find that very endearing and will immediately move you to the top of the candidates list.
On perhaps a more serious note, if you find a way, be sure to let us all know.
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The freelance landscape has changed ... you're now up against "code factories" that will try to outbid you at every turn. Which of course means everyone else expects you to match their (cheap) rates.
Not that these factories are much good ... they just pollute the landscape.
But, you do need to make yourself "available" ... so you check out all the sites and write a better "advertisement" ... in about as few words as possible (most "prospects" have a very short attention span).
Your biggest headache will be from "tire kickers" / time wasters and how to spot them.
And an "attractive" profile picture can get you lots of the wrong attention too.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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I am freelancing and I work at least 10 hours a day while working at customer companies, and it's not strange working Saturdays and Sundays.
When working at home I usually work a little bit more.
Of course, time between projects, ... it's there (sometimes) of course sometimes you have more than one project running at the same time and phone calls, mails and deadlines can be tricky.
Given I work in the automation industry, I must have a big insurance that covers me against the risk of injuring someone or to destroy part of a machine I am working on.
And don't get me started of all the @#$%& paperwork needed to be able to enter a company.
You must be ready to have a lawyer, someone to help you doing accounting, all the paperwork...
Get somewhere to store all your work safely complying all the needs of your customers...
Make contracts with them that are nice enough for them not to be scared but at the same time that protect your ass in case problems appear.
And about commitment, if you are a freelancer, you will get the work only based in 2 things: you know how to do it and they don't or they are so overworked that need external power to finish in their deadlines.
Given you will be more expensive than any of their workers (raw cost) be prepared to show the most commitment you can or be prepared to lose that customer.
Freelancing is nice, I love my work (hate the paperwork to enter companies as it's a super tedious repetitive task and sometimes you end discussing with a guy if a document is signed or not ^^¡), and I can say I'm very happy with it, but it's not "I work a few hours, money comes in and all is super duper" you have to work hard.
Hope this helps and best of lucks with your decision and future.
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