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Hangfire is an alternative you might want to look at.
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And as a bonus: it's available as a NuGet package!
It needs a database to work however ...
net-tools~hangfire[^]
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It has lots of storage options, wouldn't surprise me if there's a file-based one or you could just use the memory based one if you weren't too bothered about persistence.
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Marc Clifton wrote: various .NET framework packages, the most scary of which included a DLL for running unsafe code
Guess: Performance.
I notice to my surprise that an open source .NET library I have used for certain jobs relies on unsafe code. Why? Performance on potentially large amounts of data.
The author is a .NET expert. I am certain he wouldn't have done it unless it was critical. I was disappointed.
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I've noticed a trend (at least in South Africa) that a lot of developer job postings are looking for junior to mid level developers. Posts for senior level developers are scarcer. Companies are looking for young, energetic people. It seems like it gets more difficult to find work as an older developer, even though I would think that you would be valued for your experience. I think part of the reason is also that the salary for junior and mid level developers are less and companies are trying to save money. Perhaps there is also a stigma that older developers skills are not up to date?
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Younger ones are cheaper: and there is an impression that this is a Young Man's Game.
Problem is the ones that can code are generally those that are still in the industry after 30 years, not those who just escaped from college ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Agreed - if only the employers can see it this way.
There's also the notion that developers must move on and become managers, which is not something I'm keen to do. I'd rather keep on developing software. I could start to look at other non people management paths like design / architecture.
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I did that (retired now)! I purposely avoided a management roll since the designing and coding are the fun job activities. I will admit to being a team lead now and then but that's not really a management job.
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I have also worked with developers over 60, who can't remember how to tie their shoe, yet, they are still on my f***ing team being as worthless as they can be.
I have also seen developers out of college that are naturals, and a great asset to my team.
It's all relative.
In my experience the older ones are less likely to want to learn new technologies and move with the times. Their memory and cognition can be a liability at times.
I am 49 year's old. My memory and cognition is not what it used to be when I was 25 or 30. Eventually, I too will have to be put to pasture. Such is life.
And yes, younger usually equates to cheaper labor costs, but you usually get more output then with grandpa who needs a 2 hour nap in the afternoon.
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Quote: My memory and cognition is not what it used to be when I was 25 or 30.
Hear! Hear!
Mircea
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Many years ago the company I worked for (as an operator, but learning programming) would recruit programmers only from the graduate pool. So we had programmers with first or second class degrees who could not write a decent program to save their life. Largely because there were no CS degrees then, so they all had degrees in totally irrelevant subjects. It took a few years for that to change.
But my overall experience is that age has no bearing whatsoever. I have worked with people of all ages who were useless, and some whose skills were excellent. The main thing I did notice about the good ones, was their attitude to doing the job, and learning new skills.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: age has no bearing whatsoever.
I have to disagree with you on this. Age does have a bearing on your overall effectiveness as developer/programmer, outside the realm of "experience".
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“Experience is what keeps you from making mistakes. Making mistakes is what gives you experience.”
I’m not sure who said it first, but over the years I’ve certainly gained a lot of experience.
"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."
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Slacker007 wrote: I have to disagree with you
Fine, but that just means that your experience and generalisations are different to mine.
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I will leave this discussion with this fact. It is a medical and scientific fact (not opinion) that as we age, our memory and cognitive function declines.
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Maybe so, but that has very little to do with this thread.
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I think effectiveness has to come down to how an older developer spent his career and the base knowledge they started with. Knowledge turnover in this field is extremely high. Understanding the core principles allows one to gain further knowledge more effectively. Where those who learn formulas to work with a technology that will become obsolete within 5 years are in trouble from day one. (i.e. boot camp and problem based self taught victims) The vast amount of knowledge required to truly be effective and make critical design decisions spanning many technologies takes years to acquire. And this may be a point where your interest and your employer's interests diverge. They need you to get the project done and know an investment in you may not be around in 2 years. You have a future you need to protect. So it is easy to see how so many would become stranded.
So an older developer who learned how to "work in a technology" that has become obsolete and did not aggressively acquire new skills and knowledge is in serious trouble when you consider the impact of life, family, and degeneration. Degeneration also varies greatly based on ones attention to exercising ones mind. On the other hand, one who started with a good foundation and aggressively fed their knowledge is probably in a position to "out develop" 30 "new kids" based on the ability to make proper decisions and not waste time hunting for information or going down bad paths due to a lack of experience.
In essence, there is no "standard" for effectiveness over age. It depends on the individual.
Then again, those who are hiring might have their own personal agenda also based on how the new hire will impact their own future.
Make sure you are an asset and you will never have anything to worry about.
Dave B
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I've spent the last 15 years working as a contractor and consultant in software design and development. And one thing that is clear is each contract is different, and you have to constantly learn new technologies in order to stay relevant for each of your clients. To me, that is just part of the profession, just like it is for other professionals such as medical doctors or engineers, or any other field where the technology is always changing.
In my last contract, I worked for a government agency with a union IT shop. The managers are largely untechnical, and the IT staffers don't seem to be very motivated to learn any new technologies on their own time. Some of these developers have been there 20+ years, maxed out their benefits, and have very little drive or enthusiasm for what they do there.
And it showed in the amount of technical debt and the use of obsolete technologies in their various projects.
I agree that as we age, we do lose some cognitive abilities. But that is counterbalanced by the experience we bring, the ability to properly architect and design a system. And we have learned how to learn, to pick up new languages and technologies as appropriate.
(I should also mention that before starting my contracting career, I spent 25+ years before that as an employee at a number of software companies)
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Going back to the original question, employers tend to hire people under 40. I started my professional development career when I was 21, working for bleeding-edge companies and getting laid off on a regular basis. When I turned 40, no one would hire me. Not a problem. I became a consultant and got a good number of jobs until I retired at the age of 62. Still, working 10+ years later, but not for an employer or as a contractor. What I do now is "fun work", selling a few products on the internet.
So, yes, younger developers are cheaper and are generally the ones who get employed. Older developers are more experienced and usually have a broad enough experience that allows them to be a one-person show who can do all the work necessary from conception to development. Not every company can afford the staff needed to do a project, so a single, talented consultant is the best solution. Most talented consultants tend to be older (over 40).
Mike
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In the general sense yes. Even though on average this is true - you cannot use it as a measure of a specific individual any more so than you can use sex or race to determine the quality of an individual.
Different people decline at different rates - it is also true (and equally useless) that smart people and those who regularly engage their brains tend to decline more slowly.
Medical fact or not, generalizing like that is rather dangerous, and not at all productive IMHO.
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Quote: as we age, our memory and cognitive function declines.
Relative to our own prior state. Relative to the rest of the software development team? Meaningless. I was WAAAAAAAAAAY smarter and more productive than you when I was 25. Now I'm just WAAAAAY smarter and more productive. 
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Yeah, I think you missed his point.
age is NOT THE Determinant here that many think it is.
At 54, I am slowing down. I cannot possibly do a 27 hr straight programming session, as I have in the old days. Heck, I did a 16hr day and it jacked up my sleep for 3 days, and threw off fasting/eating schedule.
So, yeah, we get older. We get slower. It's true of EVERY career. In the old days, the old plumbers, electricians, etc. were mentors to the new kids coming in. (How much has brick laying changed in 300 years? Not that much!)
But in this WONDERFUL career, we can create our own custom tools that augment how we see the world. I was able to use a VM, restore, re-run a test with a subtle change, and copy/past 700,000 loglines into excel, and do a column by column by row comparison, excluding the date/time columns in a few minutes. It's about a 1hr full cycle.
But I started on Paper Terminals. I Wrote custom programs to compare log files in the 1980s. And to compare Master-File before/after effects of code changes, or to produce change logs. Which could THEN be compared.
The point. The tools changed. The DANG TOOLS CHANGE DAILY! You could put me back in front of that PDP-11 today, and inside of a few hours, it would feel almost natural to me.
But I now have 4 versions of 1 IDE, Rider, DataGrip, UltraEdit, NP++, PHPStorm, etc. etc. etc.
And every project I move to, they have 10 different tools.
Oh, and they are all updated constantly, even with breaking changes. THIS IS WHERE MY AGE SHOWS.
I remember leaving the MSFT camp and going Borland. Why? MSFT broke their C++ Compiler and stopped supporting 16 bit code generation. We had to maintain a 16 bit library, and the lead (younger) developer made EVERYTHING into New 32 bit code, using NEW Compiler features MSFT did not add into the 16 bit C++ Compiler. [The developer was UPSET that I found I could compile the code with BC++ as if I was dragging the company down the past... Without thinking that we had THOUSANDS of customers that were not going to 32 bit development any time soon. My next project was a Thunking layer, so we could actually call his code from 16 bit code. IRRESPONSIBLE to choose the path he chose!]
Anyways, we make more mistakes when we are younger, and we are more likely to go down some bad paths, or not see the writing on the wall. I believe I am a better developer, overall. I am a bit slower, but I am a LOT more thorough, and a LOT LESS Likely to make a fatal design mistake!
But it is a bit of a young persons game!
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I didn't see a lot of change in my developer field (embedded design/programming). Things seemed to change rather slowly for me. For the last 20+ years of my career it was programming in C/C++. I might have to learn some minor difference in the RTOSes I'm using but other than that it's C/C++ coding. Tool wise, there really wasn't much of a difference between the IDE's I used. I did have to learn new algorithms. Mostly DSP related (filters, tone generation/detection, etc). It was fun to step into DSP programming (after the age of 50!).
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Yeah, look, if I was at Chevron doing PL/X and COBOL, I am sure not much would have changed.
But admittedly, I wanted to write software for people/companies.
And then on the internet side, software as a service (ASP back in the day, and NOT web pages).
I have a friend who worked on the Kernal for Solaris. And is working in debugging for the big Storage Companies. Still doing the same stuff (Heavy C/ASM/Memory dumps... Reading through a core dump like it's a story).
There are jobs out there that don't change constantly, which is good. They are NOT usually customer driven solutions!
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