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From CP newsletter
Agile is no Excuse - DevOps.com[^]
It somewhat references agile but also references long term plans and telling customers about those long term plans. Not in special cases but in all cases.
No that isn't a good idea, especially when agile is in play.
That is because, even though it probably shouldn't work that way, I have been on too many longer term initiatives via agile that got delayed or even axed because something else came up later that seemed more important.
And then someone is left explaining to the customers that were eagerly waiting for it why it didn't show up.
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Actually reminds me of attending long ago company meetings where the sales department would eagerly tell everyone about the major potential customers that were in the pipeline. And then one would never hear about those customers again.
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Yeah, never tell anyone about "plans".
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Received an email from Chris Maunder today to make sure I can still access this site after my ip address was mistakenly blocked by a post DDOS cleanup process, not many site owners would do that. So tip of the hat to Chris and the boys.
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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pkfox wrote: Chris and the boys.
They're called hamsters, thank you very much...
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Not to me their not
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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VPN's (like Tor) come in handy for this situation. I have a mail scrubbing service that blocks my IP here. Use it for that (no, I don't use Tor).
>64
There is never enough time to do it right, but there is enough time to do it over.
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pkfox wrote: to Chris and the boys.
And the girls... there are some involved in making CP, what CP is too  
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Greetings & Kind Regards
I seek advice and knowledge of others' practice re/ a minor matter of style. In particular to be specific I vacillate betwixt and between two forms of final statement of if ... else ... series of statements assuming every possible condition is accounted for as shown in simple specimen / example / sample below (not snippet as it is not a snip of a larger code base).
1st style :
if(expression == true) {...}
else {...}
2nd style :
if(expression == true) {...}
else if(expression == false) {...}
Note it is the final statement I am inquiring regards. Do your kind selves accept the default final result as shown in 1st style or perform explicit unnecessary test as shown in 2nd style for no other reason than to make the code self documenting and easier to understand in particular for a complex lengthy series of conditions.
btw in 2nd style on occasion I add as final statement else throw who_the_heck_knows_what_happened;
Thank You Kindly
[edit] I have concluded kind Jacquers is quite correct. As it happened upon some coding just now of a simple series of such it was evident an explicit final test results in confusion as it is clearly not necessary. However in a lengthy complex series an explicit test makes code self documenting and so simpler to understand. KISS
modified 26-Jan-24 0:31am.
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It really depends on the logic you're trying to achieve. It's going to depend on the context it's in. And yes, the first style is fine if that's what you're intending to do.
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The second requires more "comprehension" (reading) time. "Else" means "everything else". And beside "true" and "false", there may be "no value"; e.g. tri-value checkboxes / radio buttons.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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Long ago, before WWW was invented, we did have Internet for email, accessing open source code libraries, exchanging photos - and open discussion forums. One of the discussion platform was COM, running on DEC mainframes. COM frequently asked the user yes/no-questions (e.g. "Do you want to delete this entry?"). The routine accepted answers "Yes", "No" and "Maybe". For a "maybe" answer, COM used a random generator to choose between "yes" and "no" actions. (I was using COM for at least a year before I was made aware of the "maybe" option, but after that, I used it frequently  )
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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if (expression)
{
}
else
{
}Everything else is just unnecessary typing/reading.
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Indeed.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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I agree 
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Agree. 8 lines is required, even for cases that could have used a simple ?:, but beyond 8 lines is a waste.
Many times I have met programmers who really oppose ?: and insist that e.g.
ticketClass = (age >= 16)? adult : child; must be written over 8 lines as
if (age >= 16)
{
ticketClass = adult;
}
else
{
ticketClass = child;
}If their productivity is measured in number of source code lines produced, I can see the justification for it, but that's all I can think of
Another funny thing is that those who oppose ?: frequently are proud of their creations in regular expressions.
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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Or even worse ...
if (age >= 16)
{
ticketClass = adult;
}
else if (age < 16)
{
ticketClass = child;
}
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You still do not handle the null case.
True story:
A friend of mine, living here in Norway, is a US citizen. She was pregnant, and planned a recreation trip out of Norway, 3 months after the expected time of birth, with her baby. Even a baby needs a passport. If you live in Norway and apply for a US passport, it can (or at least could in those days, this is 35+ years ago) take half a year to get through the paper mill.
The parents didn't want to know the sex of the baby before the delivery, so when they applied for a passport for the yet unborn baby, they could not state its name. They could not state its birthday. They could not provide a photo of the passport holder. Yet, the US passport authorities did issue a passport to a person of unknown sex, unknown name, unknown birthdate, with no photo or fingerprint.
I am honestly surprised that none of the systems handling that passport application went into a fatal exception  Or maybe they did, and it had to be debugged before the passport could be issued. Maybe, 35 years ago, US passports were essentially handled through manual procedures where exceptional conditions were handled by human brains. I am not sure that all of the fully automated passport handling systems we are using today would be able to handle that passport without stumbling and falling over.
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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trønderen wrote: this is 35+ years ago ... surprised that none of the systems handling that passport application went into a fatal exception
That long ago might not have been a system. Might have been a person.
Could also just be a special case that they handle.
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Yuck
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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It could be worse, it could be raining:
else if(marks > 80 && marks < 95)
{
}
else if(marks > 70 && marks < 80)
{
}
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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Yes, I have seen that a few times in QA.
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I think the ternary operator gets a bad rap (although somewhat deserved) because it so often gets abused, particularly, I think, because it's so easy to abuse.
Just today I caught myself chaining 3 of them together, and then luckily confused myself and rewrote it using if statements. 
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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you forgot one...
ticketClass = age switch
{
>= 16 => adult,
_ => child
};
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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I like things more compact
if ( expression ) {
} else {
} I think that's the way it's done in K&R, in which case I'm in good company.
But putting the opening brace on the first line of a function definition annoys me intensely e.g. Don't:
int main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants"
Chuckles the clown
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yeah, the brace on the same line makes me want to puke.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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