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I haven t seen any metro apps yet
Programmer's C# { Do it Better;}
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I've used both the development preview and the consumer preview. I enjoy the new paradigm and how it is coupled with the classic desktop interface. The netbook fires right up and coming out of sleep is instantaneous. I'm on a stupid little Toshiba dual core 1.3GHz with a slow hard drive and without dedicated VGA. I think they are on the right track. I think it will be a hit with the tablets and that the desktop users, like me, will take right to it. I like how it integrates with my Hotmail account. I login to the computer with my Hotmail account and the password was already set. I also have it tied to my work domain and login to it using my office credentials. It has easy home networking which I have been using. It also integrates well with Microsoft's cloud vision. SkyDrive can share directly to FB and I have been sharing executables from my Code Project articles in this manner. Give it a chance and give Microsoft a chance. For too many years people have thrown rocks at them for not being like Apple. Now they are trying to be like Apple and people are throwing rocks at them for trying. I think Windows 8 will be good for MS stock prices.
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I`ve read the messages posted on this thread and I think it is a lack of perspective here:
most programmers like a clean or well organized desktop. But most of the users are NOT programmers. They are ORDINARY people, most of the with a low culture, not mentioning the tech knowledge.
Maybe if they are majority will make the trend in their favor. In fact, most of the people are not programmers.
And I think it is a good thing.
36. When you surround an army, leave an outlet free.
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Do not press a desperate foe too hard.
SUN-TZU - Art of War
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I like the wallpaper on my desktop. I keep it free of icons so I can view it clearly and enjoy the random images there. What will I do without my supermodel in the background looking back at me???
Hogan
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Your wallpaper is still on the desktop. When you bring up the Start screen you can't see it, but your "special" lady will still be there when you're back at the desktop. 
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My apologies because my English is not good.
I am an old programmer that has already gone through many interface changes. And in each of them, I have seen similar discussions and people opposing change: the new wave always swept opponents and their arguments.
New UIs are not due to new ways of using an old device. But because a new device appears in the scene.
Punched cards disappeared because appeared keyboards with a paper roll, and we had the teletypes with a new command UI (command UIs resembles teletypes).
The teletypes disappeared because appeared display monitors, and we had non intelligent terminals with a new character and line oriented full screen UI (remember WordStar et alia: code editors like VS editors resembles).
Non intelligent terminals disappeared because appeared mouse and memory mapped displays, and we have desktops with classic windows UI.
Now, touch devices are extended and cheap... and it is inevitable that new devices will replace desktops.
Metro UI is born for touch devices. So, Metro (or Metro alike) is the UI of the future.
Soon you should start programming for touch devices, and most advisable is to do it in devices that also support touch.
¿Metro is not for your desktop? As soon as possible give your old desktop to a museum and learn Metro or Metro alike programing.
Sorry for my bad English
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You had me until the last night.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. "
— Hunter S. Thompson
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A nice argument for consideration.
+5
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I see your point, anyway
ISanti wrote: Metro is not for your desktop? As soon as possible give your old desktop to a museum and learn Metro or Metro alike programing.
This is highly arguable in my opinion.
Veni, vidi, vici.
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I disagree that the desktop will disappear, or even that it *should* disappear. At least not in the short to middle term. I love Metro (as you can tell from my other posts on the subject), but I don't think that working with a Metro version of Visual Studio (for instance) would be very efficient. As you know, it's a very complex piece of software for dealing with a complex workflow.
Also, even though I disagree with your conclusion (though the points you make leading up to it are very good), I didn't downvote your post. I actually upvoted you to compensate.
Have a great day!
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This survey needs some sort of variants on "Good for Tablet/Phone, Not For Desktop"
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Microsoft is notorious enough to compromise and cancel the needed functionality for the sake of dumba$$ UI.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep!
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Windows 8 is not here yet. I haven't seen it, most people haven't seen it. I think it's still too premature to have an idea about the design.
However, concerns over metro apps failing to operate in desktop environment and vice versa is worrying.
Peace, ye fat guts!
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The consumer preview is available to download and run; however, you're right that "most" people haven't seen it. Mostly we geeks are the ones looking at it (I'm running it as my only OS at home).
I'm not sure what you mean by
krumia wrote: metro apps failing to operate in desktop environment and vice versa
Metro apps are Metro apps and desktop apps are desktop apps. The former run full screen (or snapped, if you're running two side by side). The latter run inside the desktop "app"; that is, they run just like they did before.
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Yes I do like the Metro UI that I've seen...but I've seen very little. It works well on the phone, and the bits of Win8 that are Metro look good, and stand out.
Not so sure about Visual Studio 12 or Office 15...and I think the latter will be a big test case. If Metro 'works' in that then great, otherwise there will always be that jarring disconnect between the Metro Start page and the traditional UI.
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cjb110 wrote: Yes I do like the Metro UI that I've seen...but I've seen very little. It works well on the phone
Only recently acquired a Windows Phone and I do like it.
cjb110 wrote: bits of Win8 that are Metro look good, and stand out.
I can imagine I will like it when using as a tablet.
cjb110 wrote: Not so sure about Visual Studio 12 or Office 15
Certainly VS 11 as it stands sucks big time as far as the UI is concerned. Re: Metro in general my take is that it's fine for consumer-centric operations on phone and tablet but for producer-centric ones give me the traditional UI.
Now it might be the case that in two years time say I will have adapted. But I'm always suspicious of anything approaching a one size fits all approach.
Kevin
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I haven't played enough yet, but it would be much better in my opinion if only there was a way of classification, say having tab pages or groups instead of one large list of thumbnails, at least for desktop PC.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
-Jimi Hendrix
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I can see that; however, I think that tabs would go against their idea of a quick simple Start mechanism. You *can* break the icons out into groups with a dividing column between them for clarity. I've done that on my install -- I've got a couple of columns at the left with the calendar, some other live tiles, and other stuff that I use frequently. Then I've got a group of media tiles, a group of developer tiles, and so on. They don't have headers of course, but the divisions make things easier to locate.
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I remember that gap between columns in some of the videos of 'build' event. I agree that it makes life much easier.
The problem, for me though, is that scrolling a long list of tiles with mouse looking for an icon isn't any easier or faster than finding one in a smaller list in a specific section.
I've worked with Android and I know how convenient this mechanism is on a small screen, but I also imagine when I have installed all of the apps I work with regularly. It reminds me of the 'Add/Remove program' or 'Programs and feature' section of control panel. It's really not easy to find what I want there!
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
-Jimi Hendrix
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Hamed Mosavi wrote: <layer>I remember that gap between columns in some of the videos of 'build' event. I agree that it makes life much easier.
It does. I don't think it was available in the developer preview, though I could be misremembering.
Hamed Mosavi wrote: scrolling a long list of tiles
The problem you run into with any long list is that it's going to become problematic to find things easily. But at that point you start typing instead and let the search do the job for you. One thing I wish they would change is the mechanism for remembering sites in Metro IE. Having to pin them to the Start screen really extends that screen. I'd like to have a way to pin sites to IE without pinning them to Start. Give me the option to pin in both locations, but make pinning to Start optional while still allowing IE to remember the site.
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Marc A. Brown wrote: I don't think it was available in the developer preview
I don't know either but I remember it in channel 9 videos of the build presentations. It must be in one of the 'Big Picture' videos.
Marc A. Brown wrote: But at that point you start typing instead
Not always. I first create categories. Maybe it's only a habit but I almost know the right place of any file inside directories on my PC. It's only through organization. I rarely search through them. Again, maybe it's just me and maybe because search wasn't that good when I started working with windows years ago and I am kinda used to it!
I didn't know they don't allow that in IE, but I guess now they care about feedback. So maybe it's not a bad idea to let them know about our thoughts? 
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
-Jimi Hendrix
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You can name group by displaying the overview (small icon at the bottom right) and then select the group (right-click) and Rename will appears in the app bar.
Philippe Mori
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Awesome! I've used the zoom button, but had never right-clicked on anything in that view. Thanks for the pointer!
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Undecided. because i never used it directly.
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