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You're welcome.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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One important thing I should have mentioned, in my first message, based on my perception of the current state of the C# discussion forum, in comparison with the C# questions in Q&A:
The two types of forums, obviously, have a different structure.
In Q&A, you can ask the OP a question, or comment, via the 'Comment facility, and that attempt to clarify, focus, "frame," the OP's actual problem, and their intent in asking the question, is not an answer. And, if your rep permits, you can edit the OP's question.
That commenting process on Q&A (at best) can become a back-and-forth with the OP that helps result in a "good question," all without burning a tank of rep-solid-fuel to reach orbital velocity.
And, of course, the OP has the "power" to "anoint" a given Q&A answer as "The Answer," which smothers the now sanctified answer in reputation-glory.
In the C# discussion forum, every response at top-level to the OP's question gets #10 points (I'm not sure about responses to responses), and there's no editing for members (that I am aware of).
"So, what is the point, Bill, of your stating the obvious about the difference in discussion forums' and Q&A forums' structure ?"
The "blunt point" I would make is that the difference in structure is by design, and the two types of forums have different intended purposes.
The design is, imho, excellent, and if we allow the "conquest by fiat" of the specific technical discussion forums by narrow-focused "how do I do this" questions, and "quick-fix" answers (posted with the best of intentions), then I believe the "virtue" of the design is lost.
So, I, and, I suspect, others hesitate, on the C# forum, to ask clarifying questions.
The "blunt remedy" I propose, as a possibility, would be to let someone(s) with whatever number of combat-medals move posts from discussion forums to Q&A.
This message was written without using Complaint.com, GrassIsGreener.com, IKnowBetter.com, or Irritated.com: Hypothetical.com was used lightly 
yours, Bill
“Humans are amphibians: half spirit, half animal; as spirits they belong to the eternal world; as animals they inhabit time. While their spirit can be directed to an eternal object, their bodies, passions, and imagination are in continual change, for to be in time, means to change. Their nearest approach to constancy is undulation: repeated return to a level from which they repeatedly fall back, a series of troughs and peaks.” C.S. Lewis
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I can see what you are saying, but (if you don't mind my tuppence worth being thrown in here) I'm not sure it will help much. The reason you get "now do I do this" in forums is quite possibly because it was the first place they found where they could see discussions going on about the area they need help with. If the question gets moved to QA will they ever find it again? Or get frustrated because we "deleted" their question, presumably because we are an elitist bunch who don't want such simple questions intruding? (Not saying anyone is, you understand, just the newbie's view of what happened).
Plus there is the current effect of simple questions in QA to consider: vote 'em all grey and move on... 
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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Your tuppence is worth a quid to me, damn the exchange rates
I hear what you are saying, and, yes, forums do evolve, change, and you do have the phenomena of "social contagion," where one person knows someone who finds something, or gets an answer, and then all their friends follow, and so forth.
However, I would like to pose the hypothetical question: is the identity of a forum analogous to a garden with different "zones:" soil types, extent of pest-control, use of fertilizer, compatibility in the sense that certain plants need their own "space," and the exclusion of plants that would, inevitably, grow tall, and block out the sun of the other plants meant to be grown in that zone, necessary.
Using that analogy, I could say that (in my perceptions) the C# discussion forum has been infested with weeds, and what that forum was designed for has been obscured.
Uh-oh, violent thunderstorm at hand. Perhaps more on this ... later.
yours, Bill
“Humans are amphibians: half spirit, half animal; as spirits they belong to the eternal world; as animals they inhabit time. While their spirit can be directed to an eternal object, their bodies, passions, and imagination are in continual change, for to be in time, means to change. Their nearest approach to constancy is undulation: repeated return to a level from which they repeatedly fall back, a series of troughs and peaks.” C.S. Lewis
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I'll be round in the morning, with a big bag of coppers! 
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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BillWoodruff wrote: I could say that (in my perceptions) the C# discussion forum has been infested with weeds
And the best way to deal with weeds is to use a good old fashioned weeding fork, right? (Unless you're lazy like me and just grab the spray pack of round-up).
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Indeed, Chris,
But, perhaps, mutatis mutandis [1], these "weeds," if "transplanted" back into the proper "zone" of the "garden" (Q&A), would then appear in a different light (?).
Who has the reputation level that attests the sinlessness required to cast the first fork ?
yours, Bill
[1] "We can in fact only define a weed, mutatis mutandis, in terms of the well-known definition of dirt — as matter out of place. What we call a weed is in fact merely a plant growing where we do not want it." E.J. Salisbury, The Living Garden, 1935.
“Humans are amphibians: half spirit, half animal; as spirits they belong to the eternal world; as animals they inhabit time. While their spirit can be directed to an eternal object, their bodies, passions, and imagination are in continual change, for to be in time, means to change. Their nearest approach to constancy is undulation: repeated return to a level from which they repeatedly fall back, a series of troughs and peaks.” C.S. Lewis
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For the last few days, the following message pops up on every page view on CP:
"This page is accessing information that is not under its control. This poses a security risk. Do you want to continue?"
It only happens on CP, no other site.
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I can assure you I touched nothing in IEs settings anywhere.
It happens on my machines at home and my work laptop which has its security settings controlled by group policy.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: I can assure you I touched nothing in IEs settings anywhere.
Did you check the setting? Like I said, I was able to duplicate your problem by changing the setting on mine. Would not be the first time a setting changes somehow.
Independent ACN Business OwnerNeed a new cell phone? We supply most of the major carriers. Telus in Canada. Flash, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint in the USA. O 2, talkmobile, tmobile, orange, three, and vodafone in Europe. See my website for details.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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Verified it's disabled, always has been.
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I changed mine to "Prompt" but couldn't replicate the issue.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Weird Whenever I change the setting I get the error on every CP page I visit.
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Independent ACN Business OwnerNeed a new cell phone? We supply most of the major carriers. Telus in Canada. Flash, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint in the USA. O 2, talkmobile, tmobile, orange, three, and vodafone in Europe. See my website for details.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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If you're bored and want to take note of what ads are appearing when you see that warning it would help. Otherwise it could be Google analytics.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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It's on every single page view, even without ads.
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Do you have any addons installed and/or tried to disable them? (just for testing purposes)
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I'm getting the same thing with IE8. Yes, the boneheads in the IT gestapo still have me running XP, which means I run IE8.
Software Zen: delete this;
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When someone post a replay to article author's message, author gets two e-mail notification, which is obviously unnecessary. 
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I am sure you are aware that your email subscription system is spamming? Why don't you do something about it?
You have a site which looks professional and obviously has a lot of quality info to offer and intially I subscribed to your mailing list without hesitation, thinking that people who created a site designed to act as an info hub for techies and coders will know how to organize their mailing list to be non invasive.
Such disappointment. After I received the first load of emails I thought "ok this is definitely more than I need, so I'll just unsubscribe, no problem". So far I have unsibscribed (clicked the link at the bottom of your emails) AT LEAST 3 TIMES. I thought that maybe some time was needed for the system to pick up the changes but it has over 2 months now, YET I KEEP GETTING EMAILS from codeproject.com.
If there is no way to fix this problem please delete my account, and I mean DELETE as in real sql delete... obviously you have difficulties setting up your systems properly so if you can not stop the spam please just delete my account. At present the nuisance of having to clean up your spam mail far exceeds the benefits of being a member.
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Our mail list does not spam and you can unsubscribe from your emails via your settings page.
On the unsubscribe page it allows your to unsubscribe from the specific maillist you wish to unsubscribe from, and has a clear link under that that states "To unsubscribe from other mailouts please log in and visit your Settings Page".
I have gone to your settings page and ensured you are not subscribed to any mail lists.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I notice on the C# Forum, that more messages seem to "fit this profile:"
1. the poster is a relative newcomer to CP
2. the poster is obviously at a "larval" stage in learning to use C#, and obviously has not bothered to search either CP, or the web, on the "how do I do this" topic they are posting on.
3. the poster is obviously not interested in discussing the C# language, and its structure, and idiosyncrasies.
4. the poster gets a "quick fix" from somebody smart, like OriginalGriff, and then they're back again, with another "how do I do this."
In other words, these are the same type of posts/questions you will find on Q&A for C#.
Let me raise a hypothetical question: should someone at a certain rep level be able to move a question from the C# forum to Q&A ?
Which may be just a variation on asking what the C# forum is really meant for.
thanks, Bill
“Humans are amphibians: half spirit, half animal; as spirits they belong to the eternal world; as animals they inhabit time. While their spirit can be directed to an eternal object, their bodies, passions, and imagination are in continual change, for to be in time, means to change. Their nearest approach to constancy is undulation: repeated return to a level from which they repeatedly fall back, a series of troughs and peaks.” C.S. Lewis
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BillWoodruff wrote: 1. the poster is a relative newcomer to CP
We all were at one time.
BillWoodruff wrote: 2. the poster is obviously at a "larval" stage in learning to use C#,
As someone who is self taught, I understand where they may be coming from. I know that Q&A is the proper place for trivial questions, but for greater understanding the individual forums are better for more detailed discussion.
On the subject of search, getting good results from Google/Bing is a skill that I had to learn the hard way. Maybe a sticky message at the top of all programming forums with instructions for cp search. Also it would be great if one of the pro's put together a comprehensive how to for search.
BillWoodruff wrote: 3. the poster is obviously not interested in discussing the C# language, and its structure, and idiosyncrasies.
Most of the time this is true.
BillWoodruff wrote: 4. the poster gets a "quick fix" from somebody smart, like OriginalGriff,
Special thanks to all the smart helpers out there not just OG.
In conclusion, I think maybe minimum reputation points to post in the programming forums would be a better solution.
David
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"As someone who is self taught, I understand where they may be coming from. I know that Q&A is the proper place for trivial questions, but for greater understanding the individual forums are better for more detailed discussion."
Hi David,
Why should Q&A be "the proper place for trivial questions," but a forum devoted to the C# language become a place filling up with trivial questions ?
You are mis-interpreting my words to mean that I somehow "look down" on newcomers to programming: if you look at my often detailed answers, which include tested C# code, and "strategic suggestions," I think you'll note that I am very friendly, and patient, with newcomers. I've spent thirteen years of my later adult life living in countries where English was not the "mother tongue," and have deep experience in education, as teacher, and "professional student."
I too, am self-taught, but I had mentoring, including books, and generous responses here on CP over the years, which enabled me to "stand on the shoulders of giants" in my own humble way.
The inference in your remarks that I don't appreciate the efforts of the many very gifted people who reply to questions of all types on CP, is unwarranted.
My motivation in making this post is not to cast aspersions on anyone, but to raise what I think is the valid issue of what the roles of CP Forums and Q&A are, which is, I believe, totally appropriate to this forum.
Please do not interpret my raising this issue as either a complaint, or a signal of some personal animus.
yours, Bill
“Humans are amphibians: half spirit, half animal; as spirits they belong to the eternal world; as animals they inhabit time. While their spirit can be directed to an eternal object, their bodies, passions, and imagination are in continual change, for to be in time, means to change. Their nearest approach to constancy is undulation: repeated return to a level from which they repeatedly fall back, a series of troughs and peaks.” C.S. Lewis
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