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Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning
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I wonder how long that was there 
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Chris Maunder
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I just found a message with its content modified to "Message currently under review", false-positively.
It was a totally legitimate comment on the page of my article Microtonal Music Study with Chromatic Lattice Keyboard.
The message is of September 05, 2017, around 17:50 EST. The content is preserved in my e-mail messages.
And now I can see two flagged messages prior this one. It's also possible to be false-positive.
—SASergey A Kryukov
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Much like this member's messages[^] the messages in question happened to contain tokens that triggered the spam filter. As a policy we don't publish the tokens and signals that indicate spam vs ham, but in reviewing the tokens the one that really sticks out is, strangely, "music". Consider the types of spam we get and the content therein and it makes sense.
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Chris Maunder
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Thank you, Chris.
Yes, I can imagine the effect of the word "music". Interestingly enough, my two last articles dedicated exclusively to music (with related mathematics, physics and software) were not considered suspicious — that's good.
Thank you.
—SA
Sergey A Kryukov
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Geez, what do I have to do to prove I'm a real person living in Houston, Texas? I posted a reply yesterday and it got flagged as spam. I posted a bug report today and it is flagged as spam, too! What give?! I guess this one will be flagged, as well!
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Our spam filter works by breaking messages into tokens and comparing those tokens with those from messages flagged as spam and flagged as ham (not spam). Your bug report happened to contain a bunch of signals that matched what the system had seen in spam and was then marked for moderation.
The alternative to holding messages for a brief period in moderation is we have an avalanche of spam. Been there, done that, not fun.
PS. Any reason for the all caps?
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Chris Maunder
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The reason for all caps in the subject line is because that is what I was taught as a standard of letters and transmittals in the U.S. Navy. I have always used caps in letters and E-mail since then.
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With the kindest of respect may I suggest that the use of all-caps online is strongly discouraged. It's called shouting[^].
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Chris Maunder
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With the kindest respect in return, know that I am more than old enough to know that caps in the body of a message can be considered shouting but many business schools and accounting courses teach that a subject line must be capitalized.
Please do not infer shouting when you see all caps in the subject line because there are a great number of people like myself who were taught to do it, on purpose, chiefly for clarity and delineation.
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I can only tell you my thoughts on what others online will think when they see all caps.
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Chris Maunder
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No need to answer this but it sounds like an opportunity to school the uninitiated on a long-standing tradition of capitalization.
As I look around me, much of what I see is capitalized. A can of PLANTERS CASHEWS, ALMONDS & PECANS. A Texas Lottery ticket with "PRINTED ON SUN SEP03 2017 17:53:44 CT." A book titled "THEM CHANGES." A band schedule of "2017 TOUR DATES." My KENWOOD receiver. The banner of "THE HOUSTON CHRONICLE." All capitalized. All necessary.
Are we losing the true meaning of capitalization? Is the proper use of capitalized words no longer recognized? Have we forgotten that is means emphasis, not shouting?
I hope it hasn't come to this.
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With all respect examples of bad usage of the language simply confirms that many do not know the simple rules. When To Use Capital Letters | SkillsYouNeed[^]
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Nice Link, thanks
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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Techsys Admin wrote: As I look around me, much of what I see is capitalized. A can of PLANTERS CASHEWS, ALMONDS & PECANS. A Texas Lottery ticket with "PRINTED ON SUN SEP03 2017 17:53:44 CT." A book titled "THEM CHANGES." A band schedule of "2017 TOUR DATES." My KENWOOD receiver. The banner of "THE HOUSTON CHRONICLE." All capitalized. All necessary.
Looking around my desk I see the book with the title "Essential SNMP". SNMP is an acronym and capitalizing that is standard.
Looking at my important book shelf it has 25 books (technical). Only 8 use all capitals in the title.
So in my limited example case the publishers chose to capitalize a few, not all, books.
Techsys Admin wrote: Are we losing the true meaning of capitalization? Is the proper use of capitalized words no longer recognized? Have we forgotten that is means emphasis, not shouting?
Is it your claim that every email you send should be emphasized?
Lets say I haven't heard from someone in a while and my only form of communication with them is email. And I am concerned that the email no longer works. Should I use "ARE YOU THERE?" or "Are you there?" If the former is correct, because I am concerned, then why would my other emails, the ones without concern also be emphasized?
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As my first reply to this has been flagged yet again, is there no possible way to whitelist users so it doesn't happen?
I feel like I cannot write anything without submitting to moderation. I expect this may be flagged as well.
Would it help to treat my comments as text rather than HTML?
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Dear Techsys Admin,
Please don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to say anything negative in your address personally. Rather, I would like to help you to evaluate things from right standpoint. Not only the "business schools" you refer to are hopelessly obsolete in their teaching, but such teaching simply signals the serious lack of culture and failure to consider most obvious social aspects of things. Mind you, I mean only teaching, not those following the advice. If someone teaches, this person should assume serious responsibility.
Here is what happened, in brief: what was acceptable or even useful during the era of paper, started to irritate during the era of computing, pretty much starting the from period of widespread WWW. One can understand it by looking at the modern-day working environment and everyday life. I know what I am talking about, because big part of my life, up to late university and academia years was in the era of paper. People still leaving in the era of paper do exist, but this is not the main target audience of Web forums.
After all, you can consider this issue just as the ugly but well-known fact of nature. I personally easily tolerate ALL-CAPS, but in real life… too many people don't. So, why would we irritate people without any convincing reason? Isn't that practical reason enough.
Thank you.
—SASergey A Kryukov
modified 5-Sep-17 22:20pm.
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I disagree. It cannot be obsolete when it is still taught in business, accounting and literature classes at good schools as well as all branches of the US military. Too, just because a number of people in the population have not been educated in the proper use of capitalization (and what it actually means) does not translate to a valid reason to discontinue using it as a method of emphasis and delineation. Using that logic, we should remove a all stop signs because people rarely come to a full stop any longer. Sometimes, things have reason for existing whether or not you understand the logic.
I see no need to accommodate anyone reading capital letters in anything I create. If they are so uninformed, my advice is to learn the meaning and proper use of capitalization.
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No, it's not a valid reason. You are right. And "whether or not you understand the logic" part is also a good point. Are you really the one who does exactly what some taught you what to do? Quite frankly, I never saw such people. Does not matter, if you prefer not listening for my advice, don't. As I say, I don't mind, as I can easily tolerate it. No need to argue. It's only my curiosity: 1) what do you call "proper use of capitalization", exactly? 2) what is your definition of "proper"? 3) what is the evidence of the correctness of your way of writing? 4) How can you see the who is informed and who is not? If you consider me uninformed, I don't mind. Anyone can eventually be wrong.
Thank you.
—SASergey A Kryukov
modified 6-Sep-17 14:34pm.
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As someone who has worked in IT with large companies since before the internet, I have never heard such an assertion. Neither US (including military) nor European, customers or subsidiaries, used capitalisation in email messages. So I wonder who these schools and branches of the military are actually teaching, since none of them seem to do what they are told.
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If you want to avoid messages being treated as spam, avoid capitalisation. Spam filters often treat all-caps as warning signs of potential spam. You would be better off using sentence casing if you have such an aversion to title case.
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Techsys Admin wrote: when it is still taught in business, accounting and literature classes at good schools
Which one?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Techsys Admin wrote: It cannot be obsolete when it is still taught in business, accounting and literature classes at good schools as well as all branches of the US military.
Again I would like to see some actual references about that.
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I have to agree with Chris: in forums ALL CAPS is counted as shouting, no matter what you were taught in other media: netiquette - Google Search[^]
People will get annoyed if you misuse the CAPS key online, trust me. And at 58, even I'm old enough to know that! 
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OriginalGriff wrote: And at 58
Pah! Callow youth.
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