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Dean Roddey20-May-19 13:08
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OK, the last time and that's it.

1. Yes, there was partisanship. I went to great lengths above to explain that it was an effect, not a cause. Any time you have a very divisive issue (and civil was is pretty close to the top of the list) the ugliness will go ballistic. But it was partisanship ABOUT something, and something very substantive. The partisanship I was talking about in my original post was partisanship that is almost about its own self at this point, with haters on each side justifying their own existence by haters on the other side, grasping at anything they can use to undermine the other side, no matter how unimportant it might be to the bigger picture.

And, the partisanship wasn't along party lines then, it was again about a specific issue. Lincoln had plenty of resistance in his own party. Today's partisanship is mostly just left/right bickering and the two sides trying to undermine each other and play angles to get back on top, and of course keeping anyone else not on the left or right out of the game.

2. Of course there were some people back then against slavery on moral grounds. But I was talking about the SOUTH and why they did what they did, and the fact that, without the ECONOMIC benefits of slavery it wouldn't have existed. Keeping slaves for fun would be an extraordinarily expensive thing to do. Though of course people will come up with moral, religious, etc... justifications for doing anything if it benefits them, unless you are the King of Eqypt or something, slavery was about economic benefit. And even the King Of Egypt could only keep slaves because he has the rest of the country effectively as his personal ATM.


And, as I said above, these things reach the point of stupidity, because I'm now arguing with you about the freaking Civil War, which has nothing to do with anything I said in my original post, other than the (incorrect) assertion by someone that the Civil War proves our current horrible polarization isn't anything new. Of course it's not new in type, but it's new in scale. The internet and huge organizations with lots of money and applying a lot of science to manipulation of opinion is a fundamentally different thing from people putting out printed pamphlets on a small scale with fart jokes about their opponents.

And that's it. I'm not going down this silly internet argument path any further.
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