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Way back in the mists of time there was a lot of discussion on the clash of cultures between the global (mainly Western) IT culture and the rapidly developing wave of talented Indian programmers. The expectations and etiquette between the two camps was different enough that we created the GIT forum to allow Indian developers to get a feel for forum etiquette and posting expectations without the pressure of being judged outside their culture.
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This forum is for those of our Indian audience who are not yet comfortable with the main forums. The purpose of the forum is to allow new Indian members to get a feel for how the site works, be guided by others, and eventually graduate to the main programming and discussion forums.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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How and Why did they settle in J&K 
They have the nearest access to the Islamic Republic of Bangladesh or maybe a similar place West Bengal, however, against all the odds they found J&K to inhibit?
What's the reason Myanmar is not accepting their own citizens? Why Bangladesh has banned its own religion people?
India has its own problems like population explosion, why human rights flag bearers, left-liberals, congress, CPI(m), leftists media die hardly wants this particular community of people to get settled in India. Any guesses?
Any light on this internal security issue?
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.
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**Slow Clap**
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Super
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That's the expected gesture from a person having allegiance to Rohingyas or Advocates mentioned in the second last line of OP.
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.
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Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: allegiance to Rohingyas
whats wrong in supporting them is my question?
Why you are heel bent is discarding a whole group?
"slow clap" was for the question you asked why Burma doesn't want them? Its the same as East Pakistan pushed Hindu Bengalis out, Tamils from Srilanka, Tibetans from China
cheers,
Super
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Wonderful! You evade the original question from the first post. That, how they are able to colonize in Jammu & Kashmir, skipping nearest Islamic brotherhood nation Bangladesh, Vietnam, China? Why no one wants this whole group?
Anyways... I supposed You have answered your own questions, let me ask it otherwise.
super wrote: whats wrong in supporting them is my question?
Whats wrong with "ROHINGYAS", their own country is not supporting them?
super wrote: Why you are heel bent is discarding a whole group?
Its not me, it's their own Islamic Brotherhood nations who don't want them as refugees. If I get the answer for this then I might change my thoughts.
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.
modified 24hrs ago.
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Because They thought India is a more open and better country?
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: Whats wrong with "ROHINGYAS" their own country is not supporting them?
I answered them for the same reason Hindus, muslims, tamils are hated by East Pakistan, China and Lanka. Ethnic superiority and hatred for "lesser" people.
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: Its not me, it's their own Islamic Brotherhood nations who don't want them as refugees.
If they Hate it so we should too?
cheers,
Super
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super wrote: India is a more open and better country?
Ofcourse we are. and its not about their(Roh) "will" like wherever they decide to inhibit any country illegally, it's a point of concern for the country where they try to settle, additionally, its matter of fact that other countries are kicking them out.
We have our own problems like Population explosion and scarcity of resources and not so good laws of illegal immigrants. So we do not want to create unnecessary headaches which their own countries are running away from, the point I fail to understand is why they are being hated everywhere? I don't see any Buddhist or Christians hated like these groups of people.
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.
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You are harping the same tune. Other countries, are they better than us? They are pathetic and how does it make right that they do so its ok for us to do so.
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: So we do not want to create unnecessary headaches which their own countries are running away from, the point I fail to understand is why they are being hated everywhere? I don't see any Buddhist or Christians hated like these groups of people.
They are hated too but India is accepting them and so no noise.
cheers,
Super
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super wrote: They are pathetic and how does it make right that they do so its ok for us to do so.
Pathetic, Yes.
But then why they are against Rohingya 'only' and why those countries do not have any such major problem with other religion migrants like Christians or Buddhist or Hindus.
Also, if you care to explain the original question, how do they manage to illegally occupy a large area in Jammu to inhibit and not allowing original inhibitors(Kashmiri Pandits) by spreading their notorious activities. On the world-map, The distance between Burma to Jammu* is far more than to China/Bangladesh/West-Bengal/Thailand and Laos?
Remember, I am not against them, I am trying to understand the reasons why they are being hated 'Everywhere' including in India and Hated even more in their own brotherhood Islamic countries where they should be getting a fair chance to get settled as a law of natural acceptance.
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The term is called Ethnic cleansing. It has happened and happens now.
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: Also, if you care to explain the original question, how do they manage to illegally occupy a large area in Jammu to inhibit and not allowing original inhibitors(Kashmiri Pandits) by spreading their notorious activities
where? Show me the govt source.
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: The distance between Burma to Jammu* is far more than to China/Bangladesh/West-Bengal/Thailand and Laos?
Only distance you should consider is between Burma and NE.
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: hated 'Everywhere' including in India
Because they are muslim
cheers,
Super
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Another Fools errand which is going to harm India on a global level and also will create internal turmoil in combination with NRC.
Just a note, All PIO and OCI holders, please be careful with "all" laws in india!
cheers,
Super
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super wrote: going to harm India
How?
super wrote: Another Fools errand
Why? just because its from the Government you don't like?
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.
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Ok , Here it is.
1. Citing religious persecution, CAB gives fast-track (6 years) path to Indian passport for all people from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan if you are a Hindu, Christian, Sikh, parsi and Buddhist. Muslims still have to wait 14 years.
2. Those above group who entered India on false pretense without proper papers wont be deported or jailed. Not the case with Muslims though.
3. OCI and PIO will be cancelled to anyone who breaks "any" law of India. Even if you get traffic violation then you lose OCI status.
Here is the problem with CAB provisions (stand alone)
Point 1 ignores all religious persecution but it just caters to few. what about the Ahmedia Muslim sect and Shias in Pakistan. Rohingya Muslims and Hindus from Burma, and Hindu and Christian Tamils in Sri Lanka or from Maldives.
Point 2 makes Muslim a second class group because of their religion.
Point 3 makes no sense as it doesn't differentiate civil and criminal law which is a standard Norm.
Now Coupled with NRC, if you don't get citizenship( mind it, you are a citizen but need to prove again) for any clear reason, All other groups of people will be allowed to stay, appeal etc but Muslims can be deported or jailed.
This is where it violates the Article 14 of the Indian constitutions.
cheers,
Super
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super wrote: This is where it violates the Article 14 of the Indian constitutions.
That's totally wrong, and that's not what I am saying, it's been rebutted by Harish Salve.
"Harish Salve says CAB is pro-minorities, does not violate Article 14,15 or 21"
super wrote: Point 1 ignores all religious persecution but it just caters to few. what about the Ahmedia Muslim sect and Shias in Pakistan. Rohingya Muslims and Hindus from Burma, and Hindu and Christian Tamils in Sri Lanka or from Maldives.
They are not the minorities in their own country as most of the countries are the Islamic Republic of Pakistan or etc... The bill supports the original minorities from India, it's not for the outsiders.
super wrote: Point 2 makes Muslim a second class group because of their religion.
Are you sure, you are talking about Muslims who are not citizens of India and they are not minorities in their own country? MUSLIMS are not minority in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh so please don't make unnecessary noise for them!
super wrote: Point 3 makes no sense as it doesn't differentiate civil and criminal law which is a standard Norm.
A crime is a crime if the offender is not citizen of India then its punishable offense, so its strong clear message for those who have notorious objectives, follow the RULES.
The bottom line is, The CAB is ONLY for the "minorities" of Pakistan, AFG and Bangladesh.
Srilanka is a secular nation where minorities are not insecure. And Even though the Maldives is the Islamic nation, other minorities are not in Danger like they are in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan.
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.
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Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: it's been rebutted by Harish Salve.
One person out of other 100 of former and present jurist who say otherwise. So If I quote them then its fine?
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: They are not the minorities in their own country as most of the countries are the Islamic Republic of Pakistan or etc... The bill supports the original minorities from India, it's not for the outsiders.
What????? You talk of Pakistan then you talk about "not for outsiders"
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: MUSLIMS are not minority in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh so please don't make unnecessary noise for them!
Yeah Some sect are minorities and whole of them in Lanka, China and Burma.
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: A crime is a crime if the offender is not citizen of India then its punishable offense, so its strong clear message for those who have notorious objectives, follow the RULES
OCI and PIO is exactly same as Indian citizenship except you cannot vote. So If Indian getting a parking ticket can stay but OCI cannot???
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: The bottom line is, The CAB is ONLY for the "minorities" of Pakistan, AFG and Bangladesh.
Srilanka is a secular nation where minorities are not insecure. And Even though the Maldives is the Islamic nation, other minorities are not in Danger like they are in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan.
Exactly this coupled with NRC is double blow.
The only amendment wanted was to include all religious persecution in all neighboring countries. What is wrong in that.
cheers,
Super
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super wrote: So If Indian getting a parking ticket can stay but OCI cannot???
Yes, my/yours society do not allow anyone else to park in their society they will be kicked out immediately by the security guards.
super wrote: Exactly this coupled with NRC is double blow.
Blow to whome; illegal immegrants and non-Indians, right? Which is totally fine. Our country wants to get rid of them.
For the first time in history, our country has made it clear that it's not a free Inn (Dharamshala) for anyone.
super wrote: The only amendment wanted was to include all religious persecution in all neighboring countries. What is wrong in that.
Becasue not all the religious are in minority at Islamic Republicans of PAK, AFG, BAN. The bill targets only minorities that are not safe in oppressive and Jihadi countries, as those three nations have taken no steps to protect peaceful minorities.
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.
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Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: Yes, my/yours society do not allow anyone else to park in their society they will be kicked out immediately by the security guards.
huh ??
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: Blow to whome; illegal immegrants and non-Indians, right?
No. To Indian citizens. Jesus Christ I am talking about NRC.
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: not a free Inn (Dharamshala) for anyone.
Not anyone but someone.
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: The bill targets only minorities that are not safe in oppressive and Jihadi countries, as those three nations have taken no steps to protect peaceful minorities.
No, Its not
cheers,
Super
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super wrote: huh ??
Yes, in most of the societies in India they won't allow any unknown person or intruder without any confirmation or identification, even for the Parking.
That was an example given against the Parking ticket example that you have given. For Indians, it's their own country so a fine would be fine for any of the offense, however, for Intruder or Outsiders, any offense should be a direct kick or a major punishment.
super wrote: No. To Indian citizens.
The NRC bill will not affect ANY Indian citizen, if they are genuinely Indian then what is there to worry about? So there is no blow or harm to Indians.
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.
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Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: however, for Intruder or Outsiders, any offense should be a direct kick or a major punishment.
I am talking about OIC and PIO. Not any intruders. The people who have rights to enter India and live and work.
Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: The NRC bill will not affect ANY Indian citizen, if they are genuinely Indian then what is there to worry about? So there is no blow or harm to Indians
Talk to 9 crore people then and also see the reason for violent clashes now in NE
cheers,
Super
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Gandalf_TheWhite wrote: Srilanka is a secular nation where minorities are not insecure
What??
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All four accused in Hyderabad doctor's rape-murder killed.
Thank You, Hyderabad Police. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
- I welcome the move from the police. 'Justice' on the spot at the same place.
What are your thoughts on this style of justice?
Btw, I am very sad for the Unnao Rape Victim's murder by all 4 accused who came out of bail (Judge who gave the bail should be prosecuted) 
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.
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