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My university is undergoing quarantine. All the classes have been cancelled, midterms postponed and all. We can't avail any facilities like gym or squash courts (now where am I supposed to take out my frustration  ).
Worst is, we are being kicked out of hostels and forced to go home. Like why can't we do this quarantine thing at hostels and labs. I still have tons of work to finish. How am I supposed to do research at home? 
I had squash tournament going on and my team qualified for nationals which is a big thing at least for me but here we are with Corona......EVERYTHING cancelled.
I was literally completely unbothered by the virus until now since I'm not afraid of dying or what so ever but this shut-down is making me go nuts now. I think this shut down is much worse than virus itself. Bankruptcy rate will go much higher than death rate. Whatever
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This isn't about young healthy people getting sick, this is about preventing the spread of a pandemic and limiting it's growth rate to that which medical facilities can cope with. Because it kills 3.5% of all infected persons, and if everyone on the planet gets infected that's around 250,000,000 people who die as a result. The slower it spreads, the better medical facilities can handle it, and the lower the death rate.
And large (or even medium sized) groups of young people are a damn fine way to spread this around, particularly since it seems you can be infectious without showing symptoms. So stop whining about what are in the broad scheme of things minor hiccoughs, and think about your duties to your fellow human beings...
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Nothing to see here.
modified 15-Mar-20 8:10am.
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You're right, and I have removed it. 
An overreaction on my part: I should have remembered that the advice "never compose email while snarling" also applies to forum posts.
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He deleted the comment. I think you should too delete the quote
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If there is a spread in universities and schools, shutting them down is the most stupid thing you can do. Now all sick students will go home to their parents...
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The idea is to get them home before it spreads among them, and then out from there.
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And you think that will work?
I think you will have a load of bored youth with nothing to do, that will start meeting up with each other anyway after a week or two, and still get sick. But now they live with their parents instead.
<edit>after reading Amarnaths response below I realize I'm a bit optimistic here</edit>
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: that will start meeting up with each other anyway after a week or two
I believe this is less likely if they're home, because if they're still living around university, it's more tempting/easy to do so since most of your friends are living much more nearby.
Even if you assume that everyone is responsible, student housing with shared accomodities seems like a good place to catch the virus. Sure, you're not with your parents, but you cannot guarantee complete separation of the younger and older generation -- some students could still go to their parents, and students also still have to go to stores to get food. It's unrealistic that different generations don't meet there.
My university has moved all education activities to online platform, and asked students to go home if they could. So I'm home now and this is surely the place I'd rather be, despite being with my parents. It just feels safer for everyone.
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Sorry... I clicked the wrong "reply" button. I am moving the message to the right place
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Still the numbers are different. If you meet your friends, you are moving within a moderated number of contact people. In the classes or in the cantine (college restaurant or whatever the name is) that numbers are much, much higher.
When I was studying, I had some lessons where we were between 250 and 300 people in the room. And our cantine had sit places for 650 people (getting used 3 or 4 times in a row at rush hours).
So yes... I see the point with "it is impossible to avoid spread", the point is not to avoid it, the point is to slow it down.
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I'd even like to be more specific than that.
The point is to keep it away from the more sensitive or important part of society. Namely the elderly and hospital staff, respectively.
The vast majority of people getting hospitalized with Covid-19 are elderly. So those are the ones that should be prioritized to be kept away from the disease.
And if you close the schools, a large part of the hospital staff have to stay home with their children. Or the children will be taken care of by the grandparents, because mom is a nurse and would have to stay home otherwise.
Counterintuitive? Oh yes!
But think about it for a while.
Meanwhile, let's all bring a baseball bat and have a talk with the special kind of idiots that goes to the Alps skiing while there's a decease running amok in society.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: And if you close the schools, a large part of the hospital staff have to stay home with their children.
I don't know in your place, but here, schools and kindergartens have a so called "emergency service". This means they are only "closed" for the average citizen, those parents who work in emergency jobs (medical staff, police, firemen...) and in some places even those who are part (and can prove it) of an important delivery chain for foods and 1st necessity items can still bring the kids to the school.
Jörgen Andersson wrote: Meanwhile, let's all bring a baseball bat and have a talk with the special kind of idiots that goes to the Alps skiing while there's a decease running amok in society.
Agree... or like in a city in spain... people closed at home and a group of elder people playing "petanca" in a park, they that are the ones who the whole damn thing is supposed to be done for.  
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Well, that solves the problem with the smaller children, but I've been thinking more about older children, teenagers and above. Those that don't do as they are told, because they are "immortal".
Nelek wrote: Agree... or like in a city in spain... people closed at home and a group of elder people playing "petanca" in a park, they that are the ones who the whole damn thing is supposed to be done for.
I suppose they account for the "above" part above. 
I actually suspect they're actually quite safe though. Being outdoors with continuous air exchange, and most probably keeping a much better distance to each other than children generally do.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: but I've been thinking more about older children, teenagers and above.
Fair enough.
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There is no perfect solution. Wherever you send people you are sending potential or active carriers and certainly additional vectors.
Was/is the OP's situation the best solution? I don't have experience in these matters but avoiding larger crowds should (at least theoretically) slow the rate of transmission. One infectious carrier will have fewer contacts. The China method would work = force all the students (and for that matter, everyone else) to stay put. Let the contagion run its course in isolation - bury the bodies and then, I suppose, "all is well". Keeping the students at school reminds of a recent event on a cruise ship in a Japanese harbor. That didn't work out well.
It may be that every last one of us gets this - however, the longer it takes the more chance there will treatment/prevention will have been discovered and the better chance, if you need a ventilator it there will be one available.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: There is no perfect solution
God knows that you're right about that. Only complete morons are sure about the right solution.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Keeping the students at school reminds of a recent event on a cruise ship in a Japanese harbor. That didn't work out well.
Maybe it was the best for Japan, imagine what would have happened in Yokohama if 700 potentially contagious people had gone ashore.
Thing is, we don't know. Because it didn't happen.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Thing is, we don't know. Because it didn't happen.
Sort of one of my background mental processes when looking at options that could have (should have?) been taken.
It's like climbing a tree. Every now and then we have to choose between branches. The branches further availed us are based upon each choice. From our ever-changing perch in the tree we can often see options offer only via other paths we didn't take - and some might look better.
Be we need to pick a branch at each intersection and climb it - holding on for dear life no matter what the option because letting go is not a good option.
My younger brother puts it as "shoulda', coulda', woulda'"
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I like the tree-climbing analogy.
And if I may expand on it: If you climb the same tree many times you learn the best way of climbing that tree.
If you climb many different trees you'll learn to estimate the best way to climb. (Or to bring climbing tools)
But if you climb a tree every twenty years you might make quite a few mistakes on the way up.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: But if you climb a tree every twenty years you might make quite a few mistakes on the way up.
And that's something I have already told a couple of times... the worst thing is... we will probably not learn from this as a society, some individuals will learn of course, but as a whole... we will have the same errors the next time. And then, the virus may be even more mortal.
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Nelek wrote: we will probably not learn from this as a society
One society actually have learned. And I hope we will learn from them.
South Korea decided after the Mers outbreak 2015 that they did not want to me caught unprepared again, so they have invested heavily in testing equipment since then and are able to test magnitudes more people than anyone else.
Their number of active cases isn't going up anymore, they have passed the maximum (at least at the moment), and that without shutting down society.
Note, I'm not saying we can do the same, because we don't have their infra structure.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Note, I'm not saying we can do the same, because we don't have their infra structure.
But we could have... And that's exactly my point with the "not learning effect".
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Except for one thing - we each get to climb the tree but once.
There is learning - but for application to future decisions - and had we not had success and failures, the decision making would be based just what looks good immediately ahead. Had you chosen another branch anywhere along the way, your experiences would be different and your view of those now inaccessible other branches from your new location would make new "I should have . . . " choices seem better.
There's no rollback as once you have experienced something it changes all future perceptions (and thus judgements). If you like the tree analogy, consider that the early choices are the major branches and, as you climb as far as you can, the options are generally less influential. You location in the tree changes less with each decision - until our time has come.
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