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17-Mar-20 16:25

I have no idea what that means however I think I’m going to start using that as the password for my treehouse.

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ZurdoDev17-Mar-20 1:26

17-Mar-20 1:26

the purpose for everything shutting down.

1. Quarantine, for example, is meant to contain a virus. Well that effort was lost long ago. There is no such thing as containing this virus.

2. I have seen lots of people say that it is to slow down the demand on hospitals. However, hospitals can't do much to treat corona virus, it's just a strong flu. So, from what I have read, the treatment from hospitals is administer fluids or oxygen in extreme cases. I can drink fluids at home. Do regular people go to the hospital when they get the flu? I never have. I don't get it often but when I have I stay home, hydrate, and ride it out. So, it seems like most people should not be going to the hospital anyway so a "run" on the hospitals doesn't seem like a valid reason for shutting things down.

3. I have seen numbers that indicate that for every one case we do know about there are 10-100 others that we don't know about, which also means that there are many more exposed but not infected. That means that most everyone has likely already been exposed to the virus so shutting everything down won't do anything. Most people have been exposed and a small percent become infected and another small percent turn serious.

4. This virus will always be with us, it will not be eradicated. So, what happens when everything goes back to normal? We'll have another round of outbreaks because everyone is hiding from it. However, if indeed nearly everyone has already been exposed then we won't have another outbreak but also proves that shutting things down has no actual purpose.

I feel like I must be missing something and that the world has gone mad. However, it's possible I have gone mad. Can anyone give valid reasons for what is happening?

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Chris Maunder17-Mar-20 1:36

Chris Maunder

17-Mar-20 1:36

There are X number of beds available for critical care in a hospital. This care enables people who otherwise might die to have a chance. As the virus spreads it will affect Y people who will need critical care. This value Y changes over time, and if Y > X then the hospitals can't cope. Y is dependent on how fast the virus spreads. Slow it down and we keep Y < X.

That's all it is. It's not about stopping the spread. It's about giving those most at risk a chance to get treatment at a hospital so complications from the virus can be treated. Keep them alive long enough, the body ditches the virus, the body recovers, one less fatality.

Having said that, every day there is new news on treatments being tested that are actively treating the virus, and testing of vaccines has already begun.

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Nelek17-Mar-20 1:41

17-Mar-20 1:41

Chris Maunder wrote:
That's all it is. It's not about stopping the spread. It's about giving those most at risk a chance to get treatment at a hospital so complications from the virus can be treated. Keep them alive long enough, the body ditches the virus, the body recovers, one less fatality.

Some people won't see it, no matter how logical it sounds.

M.D.V.

Gary R. Wheeler17-Mar-20 15:11

Gary R. Wheeler

17-Mar-20 15:11

Some people will refuse to see it because it is expressed logically, in a reasoned, methodical fashion. They can't rationalize it through whatever cultural reality filter they were raised on, so they reject it.

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Nelek18-Mar-20 0:14

18-Mar-20 0:14

fair enough.

Still, there are people that voluntarily don't want to understand because it doesn't fit their agenda (and I know a couple of those, it is impossible to have a conversation with them about many topics)

M.D.V.

ZurdoDev17-Mar-20 1:52

17-Mar-20 1:52

Chris Maunder wrote:
's not about stopping the spread. It's about giving those most at risk a chance to get treatment at a hospital

That makes some sense but the numbers don't seem to match. If the hospitals were only admitting those that need treatment (which there isn't much treatment available anyway) it doesn't seem like they'd be running out of beds. If that is true, all of our hospital systems are in pretty bad shape. And when a much worse virus happens in the future, then what?

Plus the treatments that are available at the hospital can also be done in the home. The US, at least, has tons of home health care workers. If hospitals are being overrun maybe they need to do in-home care.

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Jörgen Andersson17-Mar-20 1:55

17-Mar-20 1:55

It's not about physical beds. There are plenty of those.

It's about breathing machines, ventilators or respirators.

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ZurdoDev17-Mar-20 1:57

17-Mar-20 1:57

Jörgen Andersson wrote:
It's about breathing machines, ventilators or respirators.

In that case, who manufactures them? I'm going to be buying some stock today. $Shucks | :-\$

But in seriousness, if that is indeed the case then this virus has exposed a massive flaw in the entire world's healthcare system. Because the next time we have a pandemic, it will not be a strong flu, it will likely be something much worse.

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Jörgen Andersson17-Mar-20 2:05

17-Mar-20 2:05

The healthcare systems are dimensioned for normality, or in some cases for maximum profit. Dead | X|

ZurdoDev wrote:
Because the next time we have a pandemic, it will not be a strong flu, it will likely be something much worse.

Actually, the much worse has already happened, it was called SARS, but that killed so many people that it didn't have time to infect new victims, and was therefore much easier to contain.

BTW, for some fun you can look up "honeycomb lung"
Those that gets critically damaged will remain so.

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ZurdoDev17-Mar-20 2:11

17-Mar-20 2:11

Jörgen Andersson wrote:
and was therefore much easier to contain.

So, it wasn't worse then. Big Grin | :-D

Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Those that gets critically damaged will remain so.

A quick google search shows that Serrapeptase can help with that.

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Jörgen Andersson17-Mar-20 2:19

17-Mar-20 2:19

ZurdoDev wrote:
A quick google search shows that Serrapeptase can help with that

Inflammation is a bodily function to reduce spreading of virus or bacteria virus (amongst others).
They've tried it, but anti inflammatory medicine tends to kill the patients instead.

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ZurdoDev17-Mar-20 2:21

17-Mar-20 2:21

Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Serrapeptase

From what I saw it can eliminate or reduce scaring, which seems to be the issue with the honeycomb you mentioned.

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Jörgen Andersson17-Mar-20 2:22

17-Mar-20 2:22

It does.

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Nelek17-Mar-20 2:07

17-Mar-20 2:07

ZurdoDev wrote:
But in seriousness, if that is indeed the case then this virus has exposed a massive flaw in the entire world's healthcare system.

Yes, it has. And that's why right now, the only way is to slow things down.

ZurdoDev wrote:
Because the next time we have a pandemic, it will not be a strong flu, it will likely be something much worse.

My point in several discussions... oh, wait... are you agreeing with me in something? I have to do a screenshot for the posterity.
Or are you starting to have fever? Do you feel well?

M.D.V.

ZurdoDev17-Mar-20 2:12

17-Mar-20 2:12

Nelek wrote:
are you agreeing with me in something? I

I always agree with myself so if something is different here, it is you. Poke tongue | ;-P

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Nelek17-Mar-20 1:55

17-Mar-20 1:55

ZurdoDev wrote:
but the numbers don't seem to match.

Then look again. In some hospitals in Italy, the doctors are being forced to disconnect some patients to give the respirator to other patients that have better chances.

M.D.V.

ZurdoDev17-Mar-20 2:00

17-Mar-20 2:00

Nelek wrote:
In some hospitals in Italy, the doctors are being forced to disconnect some patients to give the respirator to other patients that have better chances.

To be fair, that happens during a pandemic or not. And from what I have heard which could be totally wrong, and not to make this political, but their "universal" healthcare doesn't even work on a good day.

Regardless of universal healthcare or not, the world's healthcare systems need fixing.

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Nelek17-Mar-20 2:01

17-Mar-20 2:01

ZurdoDev wrote:
And from what I have heard which could be totally wrong, and not to make this political, but their "universal" healthcare doesn't even work on a good day.

The US system only works if you can pay it. And you have a lot of people who can't pay it (or at least that's the image given in many, many, many films, books and so on)

M.D.V.

ZurdoDev17-Mar-20 2:04

17-Mar-20 2:04

Nelek wrote:
The US system only works if you can pay it.

First off, the US system does not work. It is a scam and a ripoff of the American people. But that's another topic for when the soapbox comes back. Wink | ;)

But no, that statement is not entirely correct. Hospitals cannot turn people away for not being able to pay. Of course, the hospital will likely sue them later if they can but they cannot deny treatment.

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Nelek17-Mar-20 2:09

17-Mar-20 2:09

ZurdoDev wrote:
But no, that statement is not entirely correct.

Then I stand corrected.

M.D.V.

ZurdoDev17-Mar-20 2:13

17-Mar-20 2:13

Nelek wrote:
Then I stand corrected.

You should sit. Save your strength.

On a side note, have you ever tried the standing desks? I know some people that love them. I can't imagine trying to stand and work all day. Seems crazy to me.

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Nelek17-Mar-20 2:32