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#realJSOP15-Jul-20 0:02

#realJSOP

15-Jul-20 0:02

It will most definitely affect throughput for all devices that use it. That's why all of my computers are hard-wired. Only my phones and ipads use wireless.

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Nelek15-Jul-20 0:10

15-Jul-20 0:10

#realJSOP wrote:
That's why all of my computers are hard-wired. Only my phones and ipads use wireless.

Same here. Ocasionally a Lappie that leaves the docking station to do things in other room.

#realJSOP wrote:
It will most definitely affect throughput for all devices that use it.

Yes, but it should actually be the same effects as connecting two or four pcs to the lan ports.
Connecting the WiFi per se, without devices using it should actually be as a free slot in the LAN port, meaning the full available bandwidth to the channel that is being used.

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kalberts15-Jul-20 0:46

kalberts

15-Jul-20 0:46

Nelek wrote:
I am not 100% sure as I get sometimes lost in his messages.

You are right - I am not that good at oneliners.

I like to make sure that people get the necessary background - e.g. mentioning the router model, referring to "switching the plugs" etc., to make sure that people relate to my "real" question, not to something else. But that doesn't seem to work nowadays; what you can't cram into a oneliner will get lost on a lot of people. Too bad.

I sometimes pick up textbooks from my college days and earlier: There may be pages in a row with nothing but textual descriptions and details. Even I have to concentrate to read them. Most modern "readers" would be completely lost, and couldn't learn anything from such books. If we experience a total Internet breakdown and have to return to fifty and hundred year old texts to learn about math, physics and other sciences, we would probably return to stone age life within a few years. The textbooks would not be able to help us avoid it.

Nelek15-Jul-20 1:18

15-Jul-20 1:18

Don't get me wrong. I do like that you give the data and I am not against the length of your posts. (I myself get often blamed of being to verbose too).

It is just... Your vocabulary, it is sometimes more cultivated than I can understand (I am not native speaker). And something in the way you describe some topics what gets me lost.

I remember your posts about that topic of lockdown and how to plan a house to be autosuficient... they were pretty long, but I could follow them without problems. I even bookmarked them because there were points I hadn't thought about an I want to re-read your posts when I start my own plans (although I am starting to think better to do a copy paste in an offline doc, just in case)

M.D.V.

Nelek14-Jul-20 23:15

14-Jul-20 23:15

Edit: I just saw that my answer is not really what you were asking for, so you can ignore it. Sorry for the offtopic

I get exactly what I paid with a provider router connected to coaxial cable. Giving 4 LAN and 2x WiFi types (2.4 and 5 GHz).

First day I checked the WiFi settings, saw how many neighbours were using WiFi and which Channels. Selected another channel (being used less and a bit out of the typical standards).

Done.

No problems at all.

As the router is not bought but a rent-it model, I open a technical issue every time to time to get a replacement. I export my settings, change device, let first run to initialize with priveder defaults, import my settings again. In 1,5 to 2 hours, running as usual.

M.D.V.

modified 15-Jul-20 5:46am.

SickPup40416-Jul-20 2:53

SickPup404

16-Jul-20 2:53

Yay! The first time I can share something!

For the wired side, routers have a WAN-to-LAN throughput rating that I ran across years ago using the old WRT54G routers. Some of the earlier ones had terrible throughput, but later revisions were the way to go.

Back then, I found SmallNetBuilder had a nice chart of their test results. I looked for my example WRT54Gs and I didn't see any. I also didn't see anything about your 3Com.

If you do end up shopping for a new router, check out your prospective replacement on that chart.

BryanFazekas16-Jul-20 3:24

BryanFazekas

16-Jul-20 3:24

Member 7989122 wrote:
So I am asking out of pure curiousity, what to you get in El Cheapo equipment today, in real, measured speed, as opposed to technical specs?

In general, I can get close to spec on modern equipment. Certainly fast enough to handle anything I need.

I have a wired desktop I use for most things. On wireless I have 3 laptops (mine, wife, work), 2 phones, 2 Roku, and 1 Kindle. The ISP is Spectrum via cable and I'm paying for the average service. My router is about 2/3 of the way on the scale of worst to best for a home router (above average), and we have no throughput problems.

However, the caveat is that a connection is only as fast as the slowest segment between the end points. So for mainstream sites, I get very good throughput. For sites in the hinterlands? Not so much.

I looked up your router -- it was first released in July 2004. Given how router technology has changed since then, I'm not surprised at your results.

ElectronProgrammer16-Jul-20 3:50

ElectronProgrammer

16-Jul-20 3:50

Member 7989122 wrote:
Yet I am curious: Is the maximum speed of 30 Mbps (as least on a single connection - maybe two PCs could have 30 Mbps each) due to an outdated router

Yes, it can be. That router is old and probably only has a single core, single thread CPU and may not be able to handle the load. Keep in mind that the router must simultaneously handle your transfers, firewall (if it has one), scheduling tasks (like updating DNS and routing tables), etc.

But are a lot more variables at play. As an example, it makes some difference if the four LAN ports are internally built as a switch, a hub, or have independent connections with independent physical layer chips. If they are using a hub, bandwidth and speed take a hit since each port will have to be checked from time to time only to see if there is a cable connected.

Also, the OSI layer at which your transfer is occurring has an impact. The higher the layer, more headers the router must unpack to find the destination and other information about each packet.

Worst case scenario, your router could also be under attack when you tested and was busy defending itself.

However, most likely, being a very cheap router, is that the manufacturer tricked you with claims that it is a 100Mbps router when, in fact, that is the burst speed it is capable of. The sustained connection speed is much smaller and, in your case, seems to be 30Mbps for a single connection.

If your transfer is to/from the internet just be patient and use the router, it will be at least marginally safer to your computer if something goes bad.

If your transfer is between two devices inside your network, just take the router out of the equation. Transfers will go faster as you found out.

Best regards

Member 475447316-Jul-20 6:44

Member 4754473

16-Jul-20 6:44

THAT is an old router. Many of those older routers had a max throughput of 30Mbps (on the bus!) and I suspect you are going to find it will never get past that max speed.

To utilize your 100Mbps, I would suggest a new router ( gigabit speeds) which will serve you far better.

jmussetter17-Jul-20 9:21

jmussetter

17-Jul-20 9:21

I see others have replied that it could be an older router. I wanted to add that I've seen this issue on newer routers too, due to bad QOS settings.

Many routers have QOS settings these days, and some automatically determine your max bandwidth, and others you have to put in manually. I've seen this when you put in a manual bandwidth number that is lower than your actual bandwidth.

I found this out when I enrolled in a higher teir with more bandwidth, but my speed tests weren't showing the increase. Had to fix it to the the new tier and presto. Or turning off QOS all together will fix the problem too.

Mark H219-Jul-20 11:36

Mark H2

19-Jul-20 11:36

I had something similar happen a couple of years ago, except I had a slightly different setup - Netgear router and 3Com OfficeConnect gigabit switch. Three PC's, two servers & printer plugged into the 3Com switch.

One day the wife starts complaining about lousy internet speeds. My PC and servers OK. A few days later I started seeing the same problem. Reboot things, seems OK, then over a couple of days goes west again, to the point that it's unusable. Replugged things into the router and presto! All good. Replugged back to the 3Com switch and once again speeds are woeful.

Replugged back to the router and gently retired the 3Com switch to the recycle bin. I wouldn't mind betting your OfficeConnect thing is sick.

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Joan M14-Jul-20 22:20

Joan M

14-Jul-20 22:20

Hi all,

I've read several times in the Internet that carrier companies routers are terrible and that having a proper router improves a lot of things.

Lately I've got a problem due to my carrier restoring factory defaults at my router remotely (without noticing me of course) and I've lost access to several remote options that I had configured.

All up and running again, but it made me think on those reads in the past.

I could get a router and install it in my office, but my question is the following one: my carrier installed a router that connects to a coaxial cable and most of the routers out there connect only through an ethernet cable...

Said that I've seen some tutorials were the new router is connected to the old one... Unsure | :~

If I have to connect the new router to the old one... how all the port routes and other configurations work? Is there a proper way to set all that up? I mean, I would like to avoid my carrier to leave me out of my server again.

Thank you all for your comments!

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Nelek14-Jul-20 23:11

14-Jul-20 23:11

In your case, your problem would be very probably happening again if your provider screw your setting again.
No matter if router in the middle or not.

M.D.V.

#realJSOP15-Jul-20 0:12

#realJSOP

15-Jul-20 0:12

If you want to free yourself from your ISP, you need to get a cable model that is JUST a modem, and get your own router.

This has three benefits:

0) Your ISP can't change your router's settings any more (you have to properly configure the router of course).

1) You can buy a MUCH better router than the piece of crap that your ISP rented to you.

2) You can use different DNS servers - your ISP tracks your activity because your current cable modem/router is configured to use the ISPs DNS servers (and most of the time, you can't change this setting).

Storm-blade15-Jul-20 0:49

Storm-blade

15-Jul-20 0:49

Check if your carrier supplied router supports "Modem Mode", this makes it behave as just a modem, without any routing etc, and just one RJ45 connection will work on it.
Then you connect your own router to that one RJ45.

Peter R. Fletcher16-Jul-20 3:21

Peter R. Fletcher

16-Jul-20 3:21

"Modem Mode" is sometimes (perhaps more commonly) called 'Bridge Mode', and quite a few US and UK carriers' hardware supports it - certainly Comcast's and Spectrum/Times Warner's do in the US. They differ in how you set it up. For Comcast, you have to ask them to apply the settings remotely; for Spectrum, the relevant settings are directly accessible to the user - though you do need to know what you are doing, since a number of individual settings need to be changed.

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davecasdf16-Jul-20 6:12

davecasdf

16-Jul-20 6:12

Joan,
I've always used a purchased modem. Cheaper then renting theirs. What you have is a modem/router combo.
My current setup: ( All several years old, eBay )
Cisco DPC3008 ( significant is DOCSIS 3 and a good rep.)
Linksys EA6350 ( has 1000Mb CAT5 and fast WIFI - I like the DLink better for setup... but this works except it runs hot if left on a flat surface )
that connects to several devices in this room, then to a 1000Mb switch in another room. That connects to a DLink DIR 601 NOT to the WAN port. On the same WIFI SSID and password ( I think different channel ) set as a DHCP client.
This upped the WIFI in the front of the house from iffy to 50Mb/s. And it auto switches to the best connection.

Once I got Comcast to see the new modem ( you call them and tell them you changed, and ( I think ) tell them some numbers on the modem - easy ). I "don't see it" it's "just an Ethernet CAT5 connection".
You do have to set up the router to pick up their DHCP and DNS servers ( or some DNS servers ) but that is pretty simple. And it's yours.
Wired thru the Gigabit switch I just got 200Mb/s ( weather and ??? dependent. )
So, ( I would ) get your own modem - at least DOCSIS 3, connect to your own router - consider if you use WIFI or CAT5 - if WIFI consider where the router can sit and where walls are. Rita doesn't like how the DLink looks, but it gives near line of sight and that more than doubles the speed.

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Sander Rossel14-Jul-20 23:57

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14-Jul-20 23:57

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