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You're not wrong
This is why we can't have nice things.
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Thomas Huxley: The great tragedy of science - the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact.
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Facts schmacts.
Believe what is beautiful, but check your work.
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You beat me to it 
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Your idea gave me an idea!
I can use the lounge for a reminder board and ToDo list.
Absolutely awesome! Thanks !
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It wasn't really a todo. It was intended to start a discussion about an idea. It has. I'm sorry if you feel my message shouldn't have been posted.
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You have to lighten up in your interpretation, often ending up as self criticism.
I was just making a funny - I usually forget to click any of the radio buttons for a post.
It's the lounge. Relax. Take off your shoes.
Burp Phart Make yourself comfortable.
You're among friends, here.
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sorry, i've gotten a lot of crap about what I post from other commenters here. i guess i read your post in the wrong light.
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Oi! No pharting in the lounge please. That's what elevators are for.
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Yeah. I know.
But how else can we tell you we like you so expressively?
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You are so full of .... hot air
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OK - it's time you're given the facts of life.
In this case, did you ever wonder why a phart stinks?
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It's for the benefit of those who didn't hear it.
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It seems to me you are describing a stripped down version of sending something like java code somewhere to be executed on a virtual machine. To me, this raises the question of why bother stripping it down?
In other words, it seems like a bit of a twist on the HTML browser-server model.
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I guess it kind of is. After i wrote the post i thought about javascript, and extending a Javascript machine to run on the server, but i think other commenters have talked me down from the edge of this particular cliff.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Usually, you have a fixed number of "messages" that the other side understands, but what if you could send code in the stream, even across process or network?
The first thought that crossed my mind when I read this was "ActiveX".
I'll leave it at that.
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:shudder:
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Sorry. If I've suffered through that, others should too... 
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To be fair they didn't use a VM but i hear you.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Usually, you have a fixed number of "messages" that the other side understands, but what if you could send code in the stream, even across process or network?
In the Human world, this is known as "education", or "training". You are suggesting that we give the client computers an ability to "learn" - a non-trivial task.
At minimum, you would need a "compiler" on the client, with capabilities known to the server. the client would, at minimum, have to understand a "message definition" message which defines both the message format and the code to be executed when the message is sent.
If you wish an adaptive system, i.e. one that improves as the capabilities of the client are upgraded, you will need a "send capabilities" message which would allow the client to communicate its capabilities to the server. If you want to get really fancy, you could have the client use a "message definition" message as well, which would allow it to educate the server about unexpected capabilities that it has developed.
I'm unsure if that way lies madness or genius. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: At minimum, you would need a "compiler" on the client, with capabilities known to the server. the client would, at minimum, have to understand a "message definition" message which defines both the message format and the code to be executed when the message is sent.
Yes.
Also I wasn't talking about making it learn so much as giving the client software the ability to send remedial software to the server that it could run to perform a task - which instructions are available would be specific to whatever the server does.
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honey the codewitch wrote: which instructions are available would be specific to whatever the server does.
That is still learning. Humans may be hard-wired to learn language (the "message definition" message), but no human language is universal; every language has some things that cannot be said in it.
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Except the instructions are fixed. It could be adapted into a learning system.
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Like what?
*crickets*
Oh. Right.
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I worked on a product that did this. The primary server downloaded code to access servers at run time, on a per-session basis. It took the form of opcodes in an interpreted language, running on a virtual stack machine. The access servers were also preloaded with "scripts" that the downloaded code could invoke, which reduced its size. This was an embedded system, so security wasn't an issue. It wasn't too complex, but a detailed spec didn't have to be written: it was proprietary, so however the access devices worked was the de facto spec. New access devices had to be backward compatible, which sometimes meant replicating the idiosyncrasies of the original access devices with regard to how the language was interpreted. All of this generally worked well, but you can add backward compatibility as a third problem if trying to do this for more complicated applications.
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That's interesting. I like embedded stuff, and certainly that can either disappear security issues, or it can make them much worse.
I'm remembering the radiation dosing machine decades ago that was multithreaded and overdosed and killed 3 people because of a race condition. At least if I remember the story correctly. It was taught to me as a lesson about multithreaded code.
So I guess it depends on what it controls.
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