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Are their airiel kicks described as swine flu?
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When a pig needs money, does it hock its ham?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Sounds like a monday morning.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Did you find out your answer?
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AstraZeneca's vaccine, with all of it's improved stability and ease of handling, just found out something they hadn't expected. The US regulators who grant EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) are not simply there to rubber-stamp through any vaccine that's submitted to them. They are seriously looking into them.
AstraZeneca supplied outdated data, potentially data that skews its efficacy and thus improve its chances of getting the EUA for the US. I, personally, would like to get the latest data on the efficacy for older persons (which was or is still problematic).
The good news: more confidence that US regulators aren't rubber-stamping this stuff through.
The bad news: less trust than before* in the AstraZeneca vaccine - especially with three alternatives available (here).
One of many articles[^]
* bad reports w.r.t. effectiveness on the elderly just 'disappeared' from the news
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Not surprising; where's there's money to be made there is sure to be corruption!
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Alas, so true.
Interestingly, I often squeeze the truest version of the news out of the business sections. Politics causes skewing of reality but even politics is driven, ultimately, by money.
The business point of view of the various articles is not so much about the efficacy of the drug as how it hurt the stock because doubts where cast (and thus the why's).
Look on the bright side: we're not being offered Sputnik V or Sinovac
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Thankfully we had the Pfizer vaccine.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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AstraZeneca has a 79% efficacy rate as apposed to Pfizer 95%+ efficacy rate. That rate drops as age increases over 65. do the math. AstraZeneca sucks.
I got my first Pfizer shot 3/14. Getting the second one next week.
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Actually, it's the 79% that's being questioned. The age data magically disappeared from the public discourse. (So did blood type related and info w.r.t. serious results if you get COVID).
The important part . . . if it's true . . . is protection from serious illness. I wasn't worried about catching COVID so much as being hospitalized and/or dying because of it. They claim it's 100% effective for that. Their claims, however, have just gotten a kick in the nuts.
My Pfizer second shot plus two weeks happened yesterday. Shopping without gloves, taking mail in and opening it the same day, and for the shopping, not sanitizing all the food. Mrs. Wife actually went to a restaurant with a friend (she had Moderna a week earlier to start so we graduated together).
Irony: Oxford/AstraZeneca had a major head start over all the other vaccines (the Oxford part). Lesson learned: the new technology, mRNA, is going to be amazingly important because of both flexibility and development speed. And not containing any infectious vectors, dead or weakened.
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And the latest report shows that it may be no more effective than the single shot Johnson vaccine.
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So less effective then. But.... still better than nothing, eh?
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Absolutely yes - better than nothing.
The choice, at least in the US, however is not 'nothing'. There are three other options.
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Is it possible to have more than one?
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I presume you're referring to the potential for boosters. Currently that's under discussion and research. It has been hypothesized that, at least in terms of a booster, a different vaccine may be a better choice as it will broaden the immunity not only as a booster but because it's just somewhat different. Still, however, a question.
Other uses for your post:
"Cuando tengo mas de uno" - the catch-phrase, many years ago, for Schaffer Beer: "When you're having more than one". English[^] Español[^]
Or, if you're an immortal . . . there can be only one.
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Rather than pick "one of many articles", why not look at actual data. The UK has now performed about 28 million vaccinations, (including over 2 million 2nd doses), with pretty much, a 50:50 split between Pfizer and AstraZeneca. And the UK Government, make a whole lot of data publicly available including efficacy. Link provided below.
There are a lot of figures in the report but, my reading of it, is that there is little to choose between the two vaccines. I'm not going to extract any of the report here, because I could show numbers which favour Pfizer or AstraZeneca or show both to be the same.
If AstraZeneca jumped the gun, in going public with interim figures, then that was naive. But that does not make it a bad, (or even lesser) vaccine. It just means they are not handling their PR very well. And, in fact, the 'one of many articles' that you link to, actually quotes Dr Fauci: "This is likely a very good vaccine".
Also, AstraZeneca is not profiting from this vaccine, so the only people who gain from the unwarranted scare tactics are it's competitors - who are making huge profits.
So, if anyone wants to look at actual data, try here: Public Health England vaccine effectiveness report[^]
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You wasted a lot of text when the reality is quite clear:
1 - the data submitted was outdated and that was no ones fault but A-Z's
Quoting Fauci: the key is "very likely" - as in we need to see the ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ing latest data!
Stats from the UK government - as though they are more credible then those released by A-Z? You forgot to check the joke-icon selector when you posted this reply.
As for "no profit" - I've seen how businesses count their money - what are there expenses, etc. I've seen hugely profitable companies accounting methods somehow turn themselves into money losers.
Make me think about how the EU was so suppertime of getting vaccines distributed to the poorer nations. Then, of course, came the export controls (bans). Words are cheap.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Stats from the UK government - as though they are more credible then those released by A-Z?
Looking at the outcome of 28 million vaccinations has to be more credible, (and more accurate), than looking at any trial. There is no reason why the UK Government would be anything other than factual - particularly as, lying would be a far riskier approach. And, when presented with actual data collected after 28 million vaccinations, (by the UK Government) versus the press looking to stir up another sh*t-storm, I know which I'm going to choose. Also, no-one is saying that the AstraZeneca results are wrong - just too early. So far, every claim made, (mostly by the EU), that the AstraZeneca vaccine is ineffective/unsafe has been proven to be completely wrong. Their credibility has been damaged by politicians and the press. Not by the quality of their vaccine.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Make me think about how the EU was so suppertime of getting vaccines distributed to the poorer nations. Then, of course, came the export controls (bans). Words are cheap.
The UK is not part of the EU. The EU, (who, incorrectly, accused both the UK & US of export bans), hasn't actually enforced an export ban - yet! Yes they are talking about it and, yes, Italy unilaterally withheld an export to Australia - but I don't think they count as a 'poorer nation'. The UK funded the development of the AstraZeneca vaccine; has no export bans; has not even suggested export bans; and, in fact, it is already being used in 70 countries.
And, no, I have no vested interest in AstraZeneca. Just the facts! 
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5teveH wrote: has no export bans; has not even suggested export bans
No need to if it is in the contract with AZ. Smart, isn't it?
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5teveH wrote: There is no reason why the UK Government would be anything other than factual
I guess you missed the last decade or so of politics?
I really don't care how many Brits have been stabbed with AZ - the point is (read my original post) that they gave outdated data - which to any rational investigator is a red-flag.5teveH wrote: and, in fact, it is already being used in 70 countries.
And that is possibly why the EU is bitching about not getting there share?
Don't blame the press for the sh*t-storm: they didn't submit AZ's vaccine data for them. AZ's a company and there's money at stake no matter how you slice this - and you might immediately bring to mind VW's screwing with emissions data (with rigged vehicle computers) to increase sales. Industry misrepresenting data is not exactly something new.
One thing that still keeps coming up: disappeared data, such as reported ineffectiveness for older recipients. No counter data has come up - just bad press quashed.
So 28 million UK recipients only proves it doesn't kill off the recipients. But why should anyone trust a company that submitted questionable data when several suitable alternatives are already available and in over 125 Million arms in the US, alone? Fifty million fully vaccinated.
Their troubles have been going on for a while and of their own doing[^]
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5teveH wrote: You obviously have a problem with AstraZeneca
I really couldn't give two sh*ts about Astra-Zeneca. Or even one. I guess that comments a way for you to dodge admitting that they ed the submission by sending old data.5teveH wrote: But when the UK is vaccinating more people per hour, (with AstraZeneca),
Somehow you've decided the best way you can distract from just accepting facts (as in the data they submitted is on them and no one else) you decide to distract with some sort of contest. But - why not do the freakin' math? UK started vaccinating before US. The US's headcount for those vaccinated is approaching twice the entire population of the UK. They're not doing more per any unit of time - and what difference does it make? Except to distract form the topic and make you feel good about yourself (which is odd).
As per your support of Labor - that party seems to have only just (perhaps?) started recovering from some serious institutional sickness - institutional antisemitism starting at the top. Hardly much different then the far right. Whatever you may think is wrong with the Conservatives, at least they haven't decayed anywhere near as deeply from within.
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