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I find this pretty disheartening. Here in the UK I'm increasingly seeing kids coming out of school with ID lanyards.
WHY? Back in my day (I was in senior school from late 60s to mid 70s) the teachers knew our names (well, our surnames anyway) and we all knew everyone in our class. Forename + Surname + nickname (usually multiple versions of the last). We wore uniform so anyone in the neighbourhood knew which school we were from. I can't envisage any situation where I would have needed, as a schoolkid, to carry "ID".
I also know that - at my school at least - carrying anything "important" would result in older/bigger/stupider kids immediately "relieving" anyone of it and it ending up down the loo / up the flagpole / in the forge. You didn't even take your lunch in a lunchbox - just a paper bag, as there was zero chance of it lasting more than a few minutes!
What's the purpose of these IDs? I'm seeing them on younger and younger kids - seems to be just another way to rob children of their childhoods.  And then we (even in the UK, though not to the extent the USA does I understand) teach our kids how to cower in terror under the table if the school goes into "lockdown"...    (So much for "land of the free")
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How sad. My school didn't have IDs, or fences. Nor did we need them.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Same for me. But that was a different time and different world.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Ours had fences, so balls wouldn't roll into the road.
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Fair enough. IIRC, the athletic fields had fences - probably for the same reason - but the front of the school was wide open. Heck, in my neighborhood the grade schools were all we had for parks, and the public was welcome anytime. Where did we go wrong?
Will Rogers never met me.
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Wait...
With all the laws centered around privacy nowadays - especially when it comes to children - you have kids going about with their names on display for all to see?
(Or am I misunderstanding what this "ID" consists of...an ID number? A barcode? A QR code? Photo ID?)
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Why would these kids need IDs? 
I wouldn't wear it either, especially in high school.
I know how to wear it, I just choose not to, no matter how hard the lady yells.
Let's turn it around, would you wear it at work?
Your boss comes in and wants to tag you, like cattle.
I'd tell him where to stick it and look for another job.
Wearing an ID makes sense in a lot of scenarios, but at school or at work are not any of these scenarios.
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There are certain workplace scenarios I will tolerate it. I did some work for an aluminum smelting plant at one point, writing monitors for their "potlines" that zapped the aluminum ore.
The installation I worked at used the same amount of power as .. oh the city of Seattle.
You would walk through parts of it, and your hair would stand on end.
You had to have clearance to be in certain sections, so they made the engineers and other necessaries wear badges.
Another place where I appreciated them was Microsoft.
There were so many contractors from so many different agencies, sometimes you'd see a whole new set of faces every month and it was hard to remember everyone's names all the time. Plus the badges opened doors for you (physically, not allegorically)
The other thing about having them at Microsoft, is they were like flash cards for Indian names for me. Sundeep, Sumit, Vijaay, etc. I started picking them up because of all the H1Bs from India we would work with. It makes easier for me these days to spell and pronounce those names when I encounter Indian folks these days.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Yeah, I get that.
I've been in companies where I got a card (that I didn't have to wear around my neck though) that gave me access to floor A, but not floor B.
Also companies (clients) that made me wear a "guest" batch, so people can identify me as guest.
Or workplace gatherings where you get a name batch so people know your name.
For the average small to mid-sized company it's absolutely unnecessary though.
And for schools it's madness (unless it's some special day and you get a batch with your name and/or class or even school or something like that).
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Totally. I wasn't trying to be argumentative so much as just adding my thoughts on that.
I do agree with you about schools, but frankly, here I'm more worried about my nephews being murdered at school by some nut with a gun.
The name badges seem silly, but I live in a country awash with madness, so it doesn't even rate here.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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This is how I know I'm mad. 
void epd_push_pixels(const rect16 &area, short time, int color) {
uint8_t row[EPD_LINE_BYTES] = {0};
int w = area.width();
int h = area.height();
for (uint32_t i = 0; i < w; i++) {
uint32_t position = i + area.x1 % 4;
uint8_t mask =
(color ? CLEAR_BYTE : DARK_BYTE) & (0b00000011 << (2 * (position % 4)));
row[area.x1 / 4 + position / 4] |= mask;
}
reorder_line_buffer((uint32_t *)row);
epd_start_frame();
for (int i = 0; i < EPD_HEIGHT; i++) {
if (i < area.y1) {
skip_row(time);
} else if (i == area.y1) {
epd_switch_buffer();
memcpy(epd_get_current_buffer(), row, EPD_LINE_BYTES);
epd_switch_buffer();
memcpy(epd_get_current_buffer(), row, EPD_LINE_BYTES);
write_row(time * 10);
} else if (i >= area.y1 + h) {
skip_row(time);
} else {
write_row(time * 10);
}
}
write_row(time * 10);
epd_end_frame();
}
But to be serious, my mental health is managed enough with medication that online I come across as relatively together, but online hides a lot of deficiencies. Besides last time I saw things that weren't there, and believed things that weren't real I was under a tremendous amount of stress, which can trigger that kind of thing if your wiring is already predisposed to it.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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honey the codewitch wrote: This is how I know I'm mad.
Alright, alright... Jeez, no need to overdo it like that
Also, you've made a typo:honey the codewitch wrote: // before area of interest: skip
FTFY 
honey the codewitch wrote: But to be serious
I'm serious though, you come across fine.
It may not always be like that in real life, but most people don't come across as they are in private anyway.
People with the biggest smiles hide depression, people with the most friends hide loneliness and people with the highest positions hide insecurity.
We all have our demons and we all have our ups and downs.
Too bad yours are worse than others, but at least you've got your meds to deal with them (mostly, I guess).
I'm pretty sure you're fun to hang out with so if you're ever in the Netherlands let me know and drinks are on me
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modified 15-May-23 19:06pm.
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The last verses are all I never need to say about it Rage Against The Machine - Killing In the Name - YouTube[^]
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Member 14968771 wrote: You are still interpreting my post your way , which is OK.
To help to point you in MY direction - but you are free NOT to follow...
I interpreted your post just fine.
You said these kids didn't know how to hang an ID around their neck and you thought that was stupid.
I'm turning it around, wearing an ID at school is stupid and therefore I wouldn't do it, and that's probably what these kids are thinking too.
Of course they know how to hang an ID around your neck, it's not rocket science 
Member 14968771 wrote: As an extreme case - if the instruction is "do not stop on railroad crossing" and such "independent (non) thinker " choose not to follow the instruction - they may make an evening news...
Another extreme case, your government or peers say all people taller than 1.80m should be shot on sight... And you follow instructions blindly because you're apparently a free thinker who follows instructions blindly.
Unfortunately, history is full of such examples 
There's nothing wrong with a little rebellion from time to time, especially when you're young.
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Member 14968771 wrote: You are welcome to say / state your opinion.
But you are plain wrong .
Wearing a badge at school may not prevent much , but it is better than endless
discussions to whom is to blame after next mass shooting (screwed-up police response ) ANYWHERE.
How could I have been so blind!?
Wearing IDs at school is obviously the one and only solution to school shootings that just so happen to happen in the only country in the world where you get a free gun with your haircut 
Just kidding, I still don't get it.
I don't think the identity of the shooter in a school shooting was ever an issue, so why would you need IDs?
Member 14968771 wrote: And if you bring up "freedom of personal choice" - such as in case of endless arguments
against wearing masks during pandemic ,
I don't, I'm just saying you shouldn't just follow rules blindly, because rules may not make sense.
I don't think masks made a difference, but I wore them when I had to because it's a smaller effort to just wear them than to go into discussion with people.
Besides, they may have worked, so I'd rather wear one for nothing than not wear one when I should've.
Wearing an ID at school all day is just annoying and definitely serves no purpose.
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I suspect your average person will stick their ID in their pocket while walking to school instead of having it swinging around their neck. I know, some of us have never misplaced their car keys or forgotten their wallet. Or gone in their house slippers to the store.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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We had ID cards in high school in the 80s. Mostly, it was for teachers that did not know you. If they caught you doing something wrong, they would take your id card from you and put it in the office. Then the vice principal/head disciplinarian would call you to the office to chew you out, give you a few pops and then give you your id back.
Every classroom had outside windows so we would have seen trouble coming.
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I am happy with my 2014 vintage PC; I have no need to replace it. I just recently installed another 32 TB of magnetic disk, and will get a 1 TB M.2 system disk next week - that will keep the PC going for a few more years
Before ordering the M.2 disk, I checked the motherboard user guide to make sure it would accept it. The guide listed the PCIe capacities with "40 lane" and "28 lane" CPUs. Mine, an i7 5820K, has "only" 28 PCIe lanes.
So I checked up the Core CPUs of today, to see which models would provide more, starting at the top of the list from Intel, sorted by release date. I gave up before I found any model with more than 20 (which they all had). I also noticed that while my old CPU has four memory channels, most new ones only have two.
I am certainly no hardware expert, but to me, this looks like a downgrade, on both points. In spite of significant faster memory chips today, the max memory bandwidth is only marginally higher (less than 15%) on today's CPUs.
I am curious about why this is so. Did Intel conclude that PCIe wasn't such a great success after all - there is no need for that many lanes? With my Asus X99-A/USB3.1 board, I can plug in and bridge together three GPU cards. Nowadays, it seems as if most users want a single super-powerful card. Is that why we don't need that much PCIe any more? In 2014, I expected super-speed network interface boards to be PCIe based. I expected super-speed storage to be PCIe based, but all I see is a single M.2 socket. Does it tell that PCIe was (at least partially) a flop, replaced by USB4 for network, disks and other uses?
For the memory bandwidth: Did Intel conclude that memory bandwidth isn't any serious bottleneck at all?
Maybe I am right in concluding that my 2014 vintage PC is good enough for a few more years ...
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Commonly 4 PCIe lanes are used for the M.2 socket, or SATA but using that for the main SSD is a bit behind the times
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So 4 lanes for your M.2 system disk, 16 lanes for your GPU. That is it, as I understand it. Forget PCIe for anything else.
Or did I miss something?
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Starting at 28 lanes that still leaves 8, and you usually get some extra lanes from the chipset (check mobo specs), so you can probably slap some extra add-in cards in there if you wanted, such as one of those cards that have extra M.2 slots on them
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There are PCIe lanes that originate from the cpu and others from the chipset. The cpu really only needs 20. The chipset can have up to 24 more.
The speed of the PCIe bus has about doubled with each new version. PCIe 2.0 was 500MBs on each lane. PCIE 3.0 was just under 1000. PCIe 4.0 is just under 2000.
A PCIe 3.0x4 M.2 can hit over 3000MBs. A PCIe 4.0 can do twice that. It leaves anything else in the dust, even an SSD on SATA 6Gbs (note the lower case “b” on the SATA spec).
Most GPU processing is done on the card and sent straight to the monitor(s). All but the very expensive top end ones really only need 8 PCIe 3.0 or 4.0 lanes.
Here’s an article that explains it pretty well:
Guide to PCIe Lanes: How many do you need for your workload?[^]
I’m not up to date on memory throughput but I would be surprised if the story there was any different.
I would expect an i5-11xxx cpu with a Z590 chipset and a PCIe 4.0x4 m.2 SSD would benchmark three to five times faster than an i7-5xxx with x99 and PCIe 3.0x4 m.2.
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