My biggest frustration with the new OS and its server version is getting rid of Aero and especially the server version making the desktop experience as ugly as they could. 99% of the time I will not be using anything metro did they have to make all windows with square corners, no transparency and in the case of the server 2012 with a horribly ugly color selection.
I am now using Win 8 RTM on a laptop as my primary development environment with VS 2012. As to ease of use, once you get used to it, it actually becomes pretty easy to use. This is on a non-touch 3-4 year old laptop.
I have not actually used it, but have few hours of experience when I attended an Window 8 Metro app conference in Melbourne.
I am going to install Windows 8 this weekend and will play around. As a windows developer I am expecting something good from Microsoft, specially the upcoming Windows Phone.
I hated it at first, but once I figured out some of the mouse commands (seriously, Microsoft, there had BETTER be a tutorial in the RTM version like there was in the past few versions of Windows!), I actually started to like it - it boots up VERY quickly, and seems to be less of a CPU/memory hog than Win7. (Probably since Aero is gone!) And there are some nice features, such as the social hub and the insta-search from the start screen!
As for useful mouse commands:
* Move to lower left and click = bring up start screen
* Move to upper left, then move down = bring up task list
* Move to lower right, then move up (or upper right, then down) = bring up context menu
It is kind of weird, though, that a lot of the mouse commands don't actually require dragging, just MOVING the mouse... especially since with a touchscreen, you'd actually have to drag!
edit: also, WHY is it when I right click something on the start screen, the context menu items appear on the BOTTOM of the screen, where I have to mouse all the way down there to get to them?!
I recently had to buy a Mac to write an iPhone app for a project. Despite how "user friendly" they are supposed to be, I find it very difficult to use, because I haven't been using it for years. Every time I need to do something I find myself hovering over every (unintuitive) icon hoping the tooltip will be the one I'm looking for.
I have only used Win8 for about an hour, btu I found myself doing the same thing -- hovering the mouse and clicking on random things, hoping they would do what I wanted. Finding the desktop screen, finding my way back to the Start screen, and figuring out how to shut down/restart each took me several minutes. That doesn't necessarily mean it's bad, it means they need to make it easier for people to migrate who are used to what is essentially the Win95 interface.
I am waiting for Windows 8.1 or at least 8.01 before considering switching permanently. After a trial period in a VM - where I really, really tried to get to like it - I have uninstalled it for now.
I started using Vista (in a VM at first, as usual) when it came out and had no such feeling when switching back and forth. It worked fine for me and the few interface quirks were easily learned - and actually appreciated as improvements. Moving to Win7 (after a trial period in a VM) was a breeze; another big improvement.
However, I found that when I switched back from Win8 to Win7 I had such a feeling of relief, like a constant worry had been lifted - that can't be a good sign.
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I was a little unsure about Win8.
Yes, change can be uncomfortable. However, I have been using Windows 8 for some time now and I believe it was a mistake...NOT TO DO IT!! MS have been trailing far behind in the phone and tablet market for far too long. WP7.x / 8 may not have as many apps iOS and Android, but the fluidity and speed of it is 2nd to none. The Win8 OS is simply marvellous. It allows users to carry on with the more traditional desktop and embrace the Metro UI. It really isn't that hard to use and is extremely intuative. Embrace change!!! If MS didn't go down this route then there would have been 'nay-sayers' moaning about how MS is behind the times.
Of course...this is just MY opinion.
I believe we should not go for Too much touch dependent life. I hate to see people live in virtual worlds when they are given so much comfort. This is a simpler manner I'm explaining what I feel that of fear of technical blackout coming up.. This may be my own personal opinion towards Good things we innovate... B)
We have no control over it though, eventually it'll all happen. But for now this gonna be a nice and beauty for generations today...
We're exponentially running up in the ladde without having basement secured which I mean leading to the blackout...
But it's not just the UI that MS has messed up. It's also the developer experience.
They could have finally made the standard Windows desktop touch-friendly. For example, they could make buttons taller, enlarge the vertical space around menu items (when operating in touch mode, anyway), allow you to "fling" listboxes, recognize vertical dragging as a way to scroll instead of to select text, add a "resize bubble" in the bottom-right corner of each window, support tap-and-hold for the right-click menu, etc. Developers could easily digest that, and users might be happy too.
But instead they decided to change absolutely everything. Everything! Developers not only have to learn to develop a new kind of user interface, they have to use a completely new API, too! Developers choosing to write apps for Win8 not only have to invest the time to learn the new API, they also have to discard potential customers using Win7 and WinXP (okay, a good developer can write two separate UIs for his app, but even a good developer would rather not).
Maybe if there were large and obvious benefits to Win8 over Win7, and if MS still had an iron-clad OS monopoly, that would be a successful strategy. But I think Win8 will prove to be a big mistake. Lots of developers that quickly upgraded to Win7 will, this time, sit back and wait to see if Win8 succeeds. But Win8 will not succeed without developers backing, and too many "wait and see" developers will translate into failure for Microsoft.
Maybe if there were large and obvious benefits to Win8 over Win7
Well, Cakewalk, who make an audio sequencer, did extensive tests and found its performance drastically improved over Win7, less kernel calls, improved disk I/O, lower memory requirements, among others. That's why I installed it, and am so far pleased with the result.
I've come to the conclusion that developers are a reactionary bunch who don't like change. I put in from of my mother, a "normal" user, and she was delighted. I suspect it will succeed.
... it's been designed by the same team they use at Fisher Price.
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I'm running W8 on a tablet and on a non-touch laptop I use at home. There was a bit at the start for both my wife (not very technical) and I had to learn new ways of doing things like shutting down apps, getting back to the start screen, switching between apps and getting to the address bar in IE. After that we both find it easy to use. She is mostly surfing the web, I'm both surfing the web and doing some development.
I have just played with Windows 8 a little, but from my perspective it is not very intuitive for people used to Windows 7. For instance, I had to search on the Internet how to restart the machine. However, once this initial learning effort is over, I think it becomes fairly easy to use.
In general, the experience reminds me of Office 2007 and the Ribbon - if you keep your mind open it will go from the initial to
You are probably right.
Many people have a problem with change in general.
On the other hand, not all change is really an improvement. But you gotta at least give it a chance instead of simply not accepting it.
for the response of "I have not used Windows 8 yet". It would be interesting to have that broken down to
1) I still use Windows 7.
2) I still use Windows Vista.
3) I still use Windows XP.
4) I still use Windows 2000.
5) I still use Windows NT.
6) I still use Windows Me.
7) I still use Windows 98.
8) I still use Windows 95.
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I think that not all the companies have the possibility to swap os systems. I think that win 8 first needs to prove it's value before they are going to swap.
for example we are still on XP and doing a Prove Of Concept(POC) on win 7 so we are still behind
It can feel strange on a PC. The start menu and apps are designed to take over the entire screen, this is counter intuitive to many of us more advanced users who will have lots of windows open at once. For example, I'd like to look into the apps more, but as they hang around taking up the screen while loading, I tend to dismiss them and then just google everything I need in new tabs. Will be different for everyone I guess.
Yeah the multi-monitor thing makes it seem odd too - I'd like to actually be able to put the whole start menu on my left screen while working sometimes, but that's not do-able. However, it does not allow you to set the system up so that the taskbar is across all screens and icons are shown only the taskbar of the screen they're on, which is quite nice (just what ultramon does). I wouldn't be surprised if it gets quite a few tweaks over the next few weeks
I will not use till release officially because i don't believe for beta versions will be stable enough , so it's to fast so we can judge on this , you will not find all programs you need supported so you have to wait , but for what i saw on video's it looks great .
MSDN currently has the RTM build available; AFAIK a time limited copy of the RTM is available from MS elsewhere.
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I've installed it in a virtual machine and start playing with it.
It works, fast and well for most things I've tried.
It is a little bit strange on some topics (like shutting down the computer).
But probably it is too early to be able to pronounce correctly on that: in my case, I've installed only two or three applications (and I use a lot more than 2 or 3 on my daily basis) so I don't know how the start menu will handle them and if this will be easy or not to use.
Apart of that I find it easy to use and nice looking.
fortunately you can still press Win-R for run window, but Win-Tab no longer shows you 3D "stack" of your apps which you can cycle through with the mouse wheel. Instead Win-Tab is for launching some inbuilt metro apps like 'photos'..
yes.. the enhancements you mentioned are hugely welcome.
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By the way which Windows OS till now is not ease to use?
There may be initial troubles, but with time users will find it convenient as with other Windows.
And its just too early to poke at this question.
I cross my fingers for its success. Which developer wont feel great to develop a single app targeting desktop, tablet and mobile markets, rather than taking the endless pain of porting into them
I have not used Windows 8 on a daily basis, but I think that it only makes sense on a tablet or a touch screen device, and not on your desktop.
Having watched a couple of videos on Microsoft's Channel9, it is apparent the the folks at MS are feeling around and struggling also while presenting their apps on Metro "Modern/New Windows/We think we are great" new interface [dreadful colour schemes and interface design].
Well it's v1 for the new interface 2 more versions to go...
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