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What laptop pointing devices do you use?   [Edit]

Survey period: 6 Apr 2009 to 13 Apr 2009

Are you a trackpad or a touchstick kinda person?

OptionVotes% 
Touchpad64248.38642 votes, 48.38%
Pointstick / trackpoint / nub13510.17135 votes, 10.17%
External mouse97073.10970 votes, 73.10%
Touch screen574.3057 votes, 4.30%
Key bindings967.2396 votes, 7.23%
I never use a laptop1098.21109 votes, 8.21%
Respondents were allowed to choose more than one answer; totals may not add up to 100%



 
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GeneralCorded mice
Steve_Harris9-Apr-09 5:19
memberSteve_Harris9-Apr-09 5:19 
Cordless ones always go dead at the most inopportune moments, usually just as a bunch of death-dealing aliens have leapt out of a cupboard behind you.



GeneralTouchPad flaky
johnsyd8-Apr-09 21:41
memberjohnsyd8-Apr-09 21:41 
I don't mind TouchPads in general but the ones I've used (two Dell laptops) tend to be really flaky.
I had to turn it off completely because it would click by itself which was quite alarming.
I'd get a prompt and be reading it and all of a sudden the touchpad had clicked the OK button for me.
Less serious but annoying was constant cursor drift. The cursor would slowly drift rightwards so I was always correcting the position.
Otherwise it was good.
GeneralI miss balls.
DrFrankenstein908-Apr-09 13:10
memberDrFrankenstein908-Apr-09 13:10 
I use my good old IBM USB mouse when I have the space for it. Ten years and still doing well.

Otherwise, I'm kinda forced to use my laptop's touchpad. Ugh.

I miss the time when laptops had trackballs. Those were effing nice to use and were as good as mice.
JokeRe: I miss balls.
Joan Murt9-Apr-09 6:01
memberJoan Murt9-Apr-09 6:01 
Thanks god!

When I read your subject... I thought you had a terrible accident...

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GeneralRe: I miss balls.
DrFrankenstein909-Apr-09 6:56
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The pun was intended. Poke tongue | ;-P
GeneralTouchpad
Snowman587-Apr-09 12:36
memberSnowman587-Apr-09 12:36 
I like the touch pad best - I even looked for a regular keyboard with a touch pad (didn't find any).

One of my early laptops had a multi touch drag and three finger right click. It was the best I have used, but have not seen one in a long time.

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GeneralRe: Touchpad
nsimeonov7-Apr-09 15:53
membernsimeonov7-Apr-09 15:53 
I guess you didn't search hard enough. There are LOTS of keyboards with touchpad on them. Here's an example: http://www.fentek-ind.com/trackball-keyboard.htm[^]
GeneralIs question correct?
VUnreal7-Apr-09 9:23
memberVUnreal7-Apr-09 9:23 
Can keyboard bindings be treated as pointing device? As I know, keyboard can't move mouse pointer over the screen. At least it's true for Windows and Mac OS X. Correct me if I'm wrong.
GeneralRe: Is question correct?
nsimeonov7-Apr-09 15:51
membernsimeonov7-Apr-09 15:51 
No it isn't true for Windows. There is an option in accessibility called "MouseKeys", that allows you to move the mouse pointer using arrow keys and press the left and right mouse buttons http://www.microsoft.com/enable/training/windowsxp/mousekeys.aspx[^]
GeneralI hate all pointing alternatives...
Ray Cassick7-Apr-09 7:22
memberRay Cassick7-Apr-09 7:22 
...but if I have to I will use a touch pad. I just really hate where they are located, right under the space bar. It's far too easy to hit it with your thumbs as you type and before you know it you are typing all over the place.

I wish they would maybe give you one that flips out from the front edge, or perhaps one that ejects out from the side of the laptop like a PCMCIA or SD card.


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Collin Jasnoch8-Apr-09 11:07
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GeneralRe: I hate all pointing alternatives...
AlexCode10-Apr-09 2:35
memberAlexCode10-Apr-09 2:35 
I currently have 2 laptops, one being a DELL witch a 2nd pointing device withing the keys.
A small blue point that I don't know what they call it and witch I find far more useful than the normal touchpad.

Usually people don't like it, but it seems that after being told how to use it correctly they sort of understand it better.

This Dell have 2 pair of mouse buttons, one pair for the mousepad and another for the "blue point" thing Smile | :)
This also make it extremely user friendly and ergonomic.


Just to end... nothing comes closer to an external mouse when you need speed!! Smile | :)
Currently I'm using a Optical Logitech that came with my ASUS G1S... it rulez!
Generalpointing device
igorted7-Apr-09 1:34
memberigorted7-Apr-09 1:34 
I find that small hard to control devices and requirements to "hang" the hand over a device aggravate Carpal, rsi etc. I like a mouse where I can rest my hand and not accidentaly touch one of the mny buttong the new ones come with
JokeFinger
Norm .net7-Apr-09 0:44
memberNorm .net7-Apr-09 0:44 
I use it to point at numerous things.



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JokeRe: Finger
AlexCode10-Apr-09 2:38
memberAlexCode10-Apr-09 2:38 
It is not polite to point your finger you know?

Why do you think "they" invented mices?
GeneralRe: Finger
mmwlada12-Apr-09 7:13
membermmwlada12-Apr-09 7:13 
Indeed. At least use pen pointing device.

There can be only one.

GeneralTouchpad
Vikram A Punathambekar6-Apr-09 18:54
memberVikram A Punathambekar6-Apr-09 18:54 
My wrists hurt if I use an external mouse for a while Frown | :( but I find the touchpad far easier on my hands when I use my home laptop. The only exception is when I play AoE3 - I use a mouse then.

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GeneralTouchscreen really should be broken out to two categories
Seth Morris6-Apr-09 16:07
memberSeth Morris6-Apr-09 16:07 
Pen screens and touch screens are very different. I like pen screens for laptop (tablet), but I'm fine with a touchscreen/stylus for my phone/pda.

The touchscreen laptops (where you can use your finger to point) seem like a great idea until you set your hand down to write and accidentally start pressing buttons.

For bigger surfaces, though, touchscreens might be better than pen screens, especially as those tend to be vertical and are used for shorter periods of time.

When I'm not using my pen, I use a touchpad. The "EPD" (Eraserlike Pointing Device, as I was told one manufacturing team was ordered to call it, since management didn't like them referring to it as a portion of the female anatomy) works fine for basic business apps, but I've never had the manual precision to use one for fine positioning.

Also, I have an intermittent fine motor tremor as a side effect from medication; it can make my whiteboard writing noticeably messier at times. If that hits while I have my finger on a cli^H^H^HEPD, I have no idea where I'll wind up. For me, it isn't worth the savings in footprint.


I wonder how disabilities of various sorts affect this decision. Muscle twitches from tourettes, palsy of several kinds, prosthetic/mechanical fingers, muscle weakness, vertigo, and others all seem likely to become more relevant when we move to a smaller pointer. Is there any general rule that one answer is more likely to help someone with a physical (or psychological) issue affecting their laptop use? If so, I'd think a pen would be the likely candidate, since it requires the least precision. An external touchpad (like a Wacom tablet) might be second (or even first). Or maybe voice command (not that I've had any success using that).
GeneralNubs are best if I can't use an external mouse
Vineas6-Apr-09 6:44
memberVineas6-Apr-09 6:44 
Unfortunately, they are very difficult to find anymore, practically everything just has a touch pad on them now. The only thing that is nice about the touchpad is the scroll region. Other than that, I've yet to have a touchpad that was worth a crap (using mostly Dell's and HP's).

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GeneralRe: Nubs are best if I can't use an external mouse
dighn6-Apr-09 10:01
memberdighn6-Apr-09 10:01 
The nub on the ThinkPad is quite nice. What I really can't stand are the laggy touch pads found on some laptops. They make me wanna smash things.

I try to use a mouse whenever possible. After years of FPS gaming I'm very proficient with the mouse, and feel handicapped even with good nub/touch pad.
GeneralRe: Nubs are best if I can't use an external mouse
MAVLegend7-Apr-09 0:29
memberMAVLegend7-Apr-09 0:29 
Trackpad (trackpoint) are the best. Our company uses Lenovo Thinkpads and whenever I get one, I turn off the touchpad in the bios straight away. Smile | :)

When I was looking at buying a laptop for home, the first thing I wanted was a trackpoint laptop. That's one of the reasons why I will never buy an Apple cause they don't have a trackpoint. All of the commercial laptops from Dell, HP, ASUS that you see in stores all have touchpads. I would walk straight past all of them Smile | :) and look at other computer gear.

So I went online. A number of the business models from Dell, HP have trackpoints but the other specs were not up to my standard so I ended up buying a Lenovo Thinkpad. All Lenovo laptops have trackpoints.

One of the benefits of a trackpoint is that it is positioned in the middle of the keyboard so you can type and just use your index finger to move the mouse and thumb for the buttons by just moving a few centimetres, if that.

So a BIG thumbs up for trackpoints for me.
GeneralRe: Nubs are best if I can't use an external mouse
shoe06437-Apr-09 4:42
membershoe06437-Apr-09 4:42 
I agree fully. I've been using IBM/Lenovo laptops for the past 5 years. At first I hated the TrackPoint, but once you get acclimated with its use, you'll NEVER go back to a touchpad. Maybe Lenovo's design is what rates supreme, or maybe it's due to the scroll button. I have yet to find a laptop, other than Lenovo, with the scroll button feature. (It works just like the scroll wheel on a mouse.)

As stated by "MAVLegend", I love the fact that you don't have to move your hands off of the keyboard to move the pointer. Just move your index finger a centimeter to the left and off you go. Very quick and simple to get where you need to go. Also very helpful when traveling on a plane; your elbows don't need room to manuever.

TrackPoint Rules!
GeneralRe: Nubs are best if I can't use an external mouse
Vineas7-Apr-09 5:15
memberVineas7-Apr-09 5:15 
Good to know - I'll definitely be looking at Lenovo laptops for my next replacement.

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GeneralRe: Nubs are best if I can't use an external mouse
Member 28841817-Apr-09 5:59
memberMember 28841817-Apr-09 5:59 
I had a Lenovo for a year in college. The "nub" was by far my preference over a touch pad. It was easy to reach. After accidentally dragging and dropping a folder into another folder on the web server with a touchpad (without noticing), I stopped using touchpads altogether.

Maybe with a lot more practice the touch pad would be better, but if I have room to bring a laptop, I have room form my mouse.
GeneralRe: Nubs are best if I can't use an external mouse
Rick Engelking7-Apr-09 15:57
memberRick Engelking7-Apr-09 15:57 
All Lenovo laptops "used to" have trackpoint. Watch out for the cheaper lines (Y series for instance), they don't have trackpoint. Stick to the T or W series.
GeneralRe: Nubs are best if I can't use an external mouse
Jane Williams8-Apr-09 6:31
memberJane Williams8-Apr-09 6:31 
Totally agreed. I use a mouse whenever I can, but if I can't, I much prefer a "nub".

I'm looking at the little netbook devices now, where space/size really is important and I'd expect to use it under conditions where a mouse isn't an option, and all of them seem to waste an inch or so on a touchpad that I don't want. I may even end up paying out for the Sony Vaio P just so as NOT to have a touchpad.
GeneralRe: Nubs are best if I can't use an external mouse
Chris Losinger10-Apr-09 1:24
memberChris Losinger10-Apr-09 1:24 
i HATE those little nubs. i find them completely unusable.

to each his own, i guess.


GeneralNone of the above!
Colin Angus Mackay6-Apr-09 6:27
mvpColin Angus Mackay6-Apr-09 6:27 
I use a Microsoft Optical Trackball 1.0 (sadly no longer produced, so I snap up any I can find)


GeneralRe: None of the above!
PIEBALDconsult6-Apr-09 15:59
memberPIEBALDconsult6-Apr-09 15:59 
Sounds like an external mouse then.
GeneralRe: None of the above!
Robin Imrie6-Apr-09 23:14
memberRobin Imrie6-Apr-09 23:14 
Since it is an upside down mouse, maybe it better referred to as a dead mouse! Smile | :)

I tried using one of those several years ago and never got on with it. I did however get one of these http://pen-mouse.com/index.htm[^] which I found to be comfortable to use. The only downside is lack of wheel which I used a lot. So now I'm back to using a mouse!
GeneralRe: None of the above!
SylvainFasel6-Apr-09 23:42
memberSylvainFasel6-Apr-09 23:42 
You may like this thing, then: http://www.wow-pen.com/eng/buy/showroom.htm

I use the "eco" one, and find it really nice.

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GeneralRe: None of the above!
D. Brown7-Apr-09 4:05
memberD. Brown7-Apr-09 4:05 
I checked the "external" option. I always use a Logitech Cordless Optical TrackMan. I have one for every computer I use.

When I am in the office though, my laptop is connected via Synergy - so really I'm not using a mouse on the laptop - I am using a TrackMan on another computer. There's no option for that!
GeneralI am a keyboard person
Nemanja Trifunovic6-Apr-09 4:30
memberNemanja Trifunovic6-Apr-09 4:30 
If it wasn't for web browsing, I would never even use a pointing device. Unfortunately, web is not keyboard friendly at all.


GeneralRe: I am a keyboard person
Jason Barry6-Apr-09 4:39
memberJason Barry6-Apr-09 4:39 
Ouch! I think the mouse is much quicker than the keyboard for navigating. I do use lots of keyboard shortcuts.
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Collin Jasnoch8-Apr-09 11:12
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GeneralRe: I am a keyboard person
Zdeslav Vojkovic6-Apr-09 11:21
memberZdeslav Vojkovic6-Apr-09 11:21 
if you are using Firefox, you can try Hit-a-hint[^], although it requires some tweaks to make it work with FF3 (see comments there)
GeneralRe: I am a keyboard person
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar6-Apr-09 23:23
memberVasudevan Deepak Kumar6-Apr-09 23:23 
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
Unfortunately, web is not keyboard friendly at all.


Very much. There is a glaring violation of the guidelines posted over here (http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/[^]) on the note near 1.4.2 section.

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GeneralRe: I am a keyboard person
Logan Black7-Apr-09 17:36
memberLogan Black7-Apr-09 17:36 
That would be section 2.1

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#keyboard-operation[^]

cheers

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