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theoldfool wrote: Pogo said it best: We have met the enemy and it is us.
Haha, I remember Pogo saying that... and it has never been more true!!! Thanks for the laugh. 
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raddevus wrote: there does seem to be a problem with it not accepting your password
There's something to that, I'm convinced of it.
I've had a number of Linux distributions on a laptop I swear sometimes refuses to accept my password even though I know, absolutely and positively, has been typed in correctly. Then I force a reboot and everything's fine, on the very first attempt.
Every once in a while it's the NumLock key. Being a laptop, it doesn't have a dedicated numeric keypad, and some keys (YUI/HJK/NM, I think) can be reused to enter digits. But when I get in the situation described above, more often than not, hitting NumLock doesn't make any difference. For a while, I had temporarily changed my password so it doesn't use any of those multi-use buttons...and hadn't encountered the problem. It could have been just a coincidence. It's never happened often enough for me to notice any particular pattern or become a predictable thing.
Same laptop ran various versions of Windows for years prior to that, without ever exhibiting this behavior.
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Thanks for the input. I think I've encountered this too because I'm not sure how I continually typed it wrong so many times. I finally got it all resolved. Somehow I had typed one char in place of another but for a couple of weeks had been typing it properly, I guess. 
And when I looked it up there are some cases where certain versions of ubuntu (in the past) did have a problem.
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Muscle memory is also definitely a thing. I swear I have some passwords I can type blindfolded in a fraction of a second. Yet if you were to ask me to write it down on a piece of paper, I'd have a hard time doing it correctly.
Then every once in a while I have a brain fart and go into a panic because I have no idea what a password is, and it's one I use so frequently I've never bothered entering it in a password manager...one day it'll become permanent and I'll be truly screwed... 
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dandy72 wrote: Then every once in a while I have a brain fart and go into a panic because I have no idea what a password is,
It's for realz! I use a password manager for 99.9% of my passwords so that's why I'm so messed up on typing the password too.
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Luxury!
I had a bank (PIN) card for seven years, used daily, and one day it got eaten by the hole in the wall because I couldn't remember my PIN -- that's four digits!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: one day it got eaten by the hole in the wall because I couldn't remember my PIN -- that's four digits!
That one made me LOL! Not at you, just at the situation. It's crazy how you can __know__ something until you try to __know__ that you __know__ it. 
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Welcome to the club!
My favorite bout with a major brain phart is related to shifting my care into reverse.
<narrative>
Went to pick up a pizza, having driven their in my Mazda 5-speed. Upon receiving the heavenly delight I put it on the passenger's seat, careful to prop up the back so it sat straight despite the seat's but-wrapping format. Started the engine and could not shift into reverse. I had fronted into the space and things were not good. After some crazy struggling I put it in neutral, pushed it back a ways, and drove home - parking carefully in a space I could glide into without going into reverse. After feeding, I went out to try again - no luck.
The next day I made it to the dealer (fortunately, still under warranty) and told him the problem; left (Mrs Wife drove me home in her 6-speed - which is an important point). Well - much later that day the dealer called and said he found nothing wrong - so come and get the car.
It was when I got into the car at the dealers - who fronted into a space on his lot - that I realized what was going on. I was shifting into reverse as though it was Mrs. Wife's chariot. Hers is to the front left - mine to the back-right . . .
<narrative>
To coin a pun: brain-phart's really stink - and like their name-sake, are often good for a laugh.
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Fantastic story.  And, very interesting that the User Interface. All my manual shift cars have been down right so that is interesting about the up and left.
It also reminds me of a junky car I drove when I was young.
I drove it for a couple of years and it ran great.
One day at the top of a building (in a parking garage) I put the key in and it would not start no matter what I did.
I was angry so I got out and called my wife (before cell phones) and she came and got me.
It was Friday so I decided I would not drive the car again and I went out over the weekend and bought my first new car.
I drove the new car monday morning and then that evening I decided that I needed to get the junker out of the garage (off the building roof).
I went up to look at the car again.
For some reason I stuck in the key in again and tried. nothing.
Then I looked down at the automatic shifter -- It was in [d].
I eased it into [p] and tried starting it again and it fired right up.
Yes, for some reason I could remove the key and put it in the ignition even though it was in drive.
I drove the car out of the garage and sold it soon afterward.
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Don't be stupid. Write the password on a Post-It and stick it next to your screen. Simples!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: Write the password on a Post-It and stick it next to your screen. Simples!
That is a fantastic! All we need now is an official title for this process:
Password Remediation Proccess
Ok, I've printed the password on a nice 3x5 card stock, laminated it and taped it securely to the monitor.
Thanks for your help.
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Nelek wrote: That's the problem with your "No password anymore" app... you get rusted remembering them
You are exactly right. There are so few passwords I memorize now the old brain is very slow now.
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In a couple of cases, I have lost my concious memory of either my password or a pin code (I remember cases of either of those) where I have resorted to "Don't think! Just let your fingers do as they have been doing a thousand times, and observe what they do!" - and that has been what was needed recofer my password / pin code from my memory.
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Member 7989122 wrote: Don't think! Just let your fingers do as they have been doing a thousand times, and observe what they do!"
Yep, I've gotten there too where all you can do is type, don't think.
This time I had to type in a text editor and try every combination of what I thought the password was until I finally got lucky and unlocked it. Then I looked at the password and was like, "Ugh! Of course."
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raddevus wrote: This time I had to type in a text editor and try every combination of what I thought the password was until I finally got lucky and unlocked it. Then I looked at the password and was like, "Ugh! Of course."
I had to do that once with a web site... I tested over 200 combinations within very few time (I am a a keyboard guy and can do copy, tab, paste, very fast)
After finding out my password again I wrote them an email...
- No password confirmation field, yes... only one field for the new one (in my case an "o" had gone "i")
- Automated brute force attacks not handled, I never got a delay or any other "slow down, pal" message...
- Klicking a Link in one of his emails brought to a debug info page where one could see things I consider shouldn't be there "public"
And that is in a finance related web... 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: After finding out my password again I wrote them an email..
And I'm sure they never even replied. Also, if they had, they may have gotten angry that you did the things you did. I normally won't even let the web site know this stuff because they may turn it around on you.
Nelek wrote: And that is in a finance related web...
And you probably did the only testing that was ever done on that page.
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raddevus wrote: And I'm sure they never even replied.
You are right.
raddevus wrote: Also, if they had, they may have gotten angry that you did the things you did.
I now think it too.
raddevus wrote: I normally won't even let the web site know this stuff because they may turn it around on you.
That's why I don't do it anymore. You try to help and you might get busted... screw them.
If I get problems due to the low security of a site, I will be the one suing them.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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the solution is to write down your password and glue it to the laptop
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr.PhD P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Today is day 1 of my son's new job.
He was so excited to go in to the office and meet everyone...
...he got an email on Friday telling him to work from home until further notice. His new laptop and some office supplies, etc. arrived in the mail on Saturday.
I woke him for work today and before I left for my office I saw him there in bed with his laptop. Ah, the joys of working from home in your PJs!
This might be me in the next few days.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Best wishes to your son!
Quote: This might be me in the next few days.
Probably.
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Forogar wrote: I woke him for work today and before I left for my office I saw him there in bed with his laptop. Ah, the joys of working from home in your PJs!
Nip this habit in the bud right now.
I've been working from home for over 12 years now, and I always make a point of not having a laptop in bed with me and putting on some actual clothes in the morning.
Why? Because once he actually needs to get out of bed, get prepared in the morning and, y'know, leave the house to go to work, he's gonna find it doubly harsh. I've never lost the habit and firmly believe it to be a plus.
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Yep. Work is a habit, and it's also a frame of mind - if you're in bed in PJ's then you aren't in the right "mental space" to work. Me? I wear jeans and an ironed white shirt - just like if I was in the office and had no custards to see - my hair is brushed, my teeth are dealt with, and I'm ready to to business.
Clothes affect your thinking - compare how you behave in a T and ripped jeans to a suit and tie. PJ's is the start of a bad idea that ends up camped in front of the fridge coding around mouthfuls of cheese... 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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OriginalGriff wrote: if you're in bed in PJ's then you aren't in the right "mental space" to work
Ain't that the truth.
Sometimes it's hard for me to make the disconnect between "work time" and "my time", because I remain in the same physical area. If I had the habit of having a laptop on me when in bed, I'd be afraid I'd start subconsciously associating that time with work, and it would start affecting my sleep patterns...in the same way that if I'm laying down on my bed to watch TV, then I have a hard time not falling asleep because that's how my body responds to being in that position for some amount of time.
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I was always comfortable in trackie daks and ugg boots but ALWAYS in the office. Even now I have a laptop that has not moved off the desk in 12 months.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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