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charlieg7-Feb-21 2:11

7-Feb-21 2:11

I've owned a Precision in the past. Very well built machines.

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Eddy Vluggen5-Feb-21 10:51

5-Feb-21 10:51

charlieg wrote:
So, my current laptop is 3.5 years old

Mine it >8 years, and still "current". It runs VS, HOTS and WarCraft. On Wifi.

charlieg wrote:
So, for those of you who develop on laptops

One doesn't develop on a laptop.

Get a desktop. Laptops are expensive for the power they pack in a limited space. Desktops are cheap.

Get a cheap second hand-laptop to remote-desktop into your desktop.

Not joking. A desktop gives you more bang for yer buck. Doesn't require a monitor either, just remote desktop. Get a decent system, not a glorified tab.

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charlieg7-Feb-21 2:46

7-Feb-21 2:46

"One doesn't develop on a laptop."

Going to have to disagree here. If your screen is 13 or 14" I might agree, but as Marc mentioned above, clear screens, readable code is everything. Besides, I've been using a laptop with high resolution displays for 15+ years successfully.

Please expand on your comment, I'm genuinely interested.

That said, times are changing. I've been trying for a couple of years (just been too busy) to migrate to all virtual machines. So the comment about "desktops" which really should not be called that since mine is sitting next to my desk - ha! Next-tops! is a valid point. I will not argue that you get far more bang for the buck. In fact, that is such an excellent point I might just build another machine for the lab.

One note about the remote desktop approach - this *all* depends on the quality of your network and the security protocols of a particular customer. I have one customer that will only use the POS TeamViewer. Another customer uses a VPN but their network support is less than stellar. YMMV

Eddy Vluggen7-Feb-21 5:24

7-Feb-21 5:24

charlieg wrote:
Going to have to disagree here. If your screen is 13 or 14" I might agree, but as Marc mentioned above, clear screens, readable code is everything. Besides, I've been using a laptop with high resolution displays for 15+ years successfully.

Please expand on your comment, I'm genuinely interested.

Laptops usually have a lower processing power than their equivalent desktops. And have gotten very used to having at least two screens (17"). Looking for a way to hook up a third, so I needn't remote desktop into the server anymore. So two PC's on my desk, two keyboards. And a lone 15" monitor that would make you laugh probably Big Grin | :-D

charlieg wrote:
That said, times are changing.

True. Also haven't been in a computer-store for quite a while, and may need to save some money before I dare enter again - because all those new goodies..

charlieg wrote:
One note about the remote desktop approach - this *all* depends on the quality of your network and the security protocols of a particular customer.

Currently only using it on the home-network, and the machines are hooked to the same router.

..a very old router; maybe time I upgrade that.

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Marc Clifton5-Feb-21 11:47

Marc Clifton

5-Feb-21 11:47

Size doesn't matter. Wink | ;)

(I can't believe I missed that opportunity, and apparently so did everyone else!)

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Eddy Vluggen5-Feb-21 12:32

5-Feb-21 12:32

Marc Clifton wrote:
(I can't believe I missed that opportunity, and apparently so did everyone else!)

Ehr..

You naive; it does.

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charlieg7-Feb-21 2:12

7-Feb-21 2:12

Chris Maunder5-Feb-21 13:43

Chris Maunder

5-Feb-21 13:43

Depends how you use it. If it's your primary machine (or a machine you use a lot) and screen size is critical then the biggest screen that you're able to carry.

For me, I've always used 13" but would grab a 14" if it was as small, or smaller, than the footprint of a current Macbook Pro . If I have to use the screen it's either being used as a secondary machine or I'm travelling between offices and 13" gets me through well enough.

However, for working, I always connect to a 27" external.

Everyone has their own answer. Whatever works best for you.

cheers
Chris Maunder

Eddy Vluggen5-Feb-21 14:15

5-Feb-21 14:15

Chris Maunder wrote:
However, for working, I always connect to a 27" external.

27 inch? I'm afraid to translate that to metric.

But almost 70 centimeter? I have a monthy python reference for that, and not going to repeat it.

--edit
Can't. Can't. Mustn't.

No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrcbCW4y9Dw[^] (not a rick roll, but worse, sorry)

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modified 5-Feb-21 20:52pm.

honey the codewitch6-Feb-21 2:29

6-Feb-21 2:29

My PC's screen is 55" Laugh | :laugh:

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dandy726-Feb-21 3:01

dandy72

6-Feb-21 3:01

...and how are you enjoying that screendoor effect? Smile | :)

Or is that 4K?

I have a 40" 4K TV as my primary display, and at its native resolution, text is smaller on it than it is on my 27" 1080p monitor. For the equivalent text size (without rescaling), 4K would have to be spread across 54". So presumably you're right at the sweet spot.

honey the codewitch6-Feb-21 3:25

6-Feb-21 3:25

I don't see well enough for it to impact me i guess. Either that or this TV is just good about it, or I've gotten so used to it I just don't notice.

It's only 1080p

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Eddy Vluggen6-Feb-21 3:52

6-Feb-21 3:52

140 cm?

Sounds nice for movies, but lines of code?

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honey the codewitch6-Feb-21 3:55

6-Feb-21 3:55

Works great for me. YMMV

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Chris Maunder6-Feb-21 10:24

Chris Maunder

6-Feb-21 10:24

Don't ask me why, but I had that exact sketch stuck in my head last week.

cheers
Chris Maunder

honey the codewitch6-Feb-21 2:27

6-Feb-21 2:27

I like 15 inch because 17 won't fit in a backpack very easily.

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dandy726-Feb-21 3:06

dandy72

6-Feb-21 3:06

charlieg wrote:
omg, the new version is gorgeous!

"OMG that [hammer|power drill|chainsaw|laptop] is gorgeous!"

Meh. A laptop is tool, not a fashion accessory. But then, I do realize there's apparently a market for those people, and companies catering to them are doing rather well.

Or were you drooling over the specs, like any good self-respecting geek should? Smile | :)

charlieg7-Feb-21 2:37

7-Feb-21 2:37

high end AMD or Intel processor, starts at 32GB RAM, NVME ssd, 4k 17" 144hz display.... yeah, the specs are nice. What got my attention was the NVidia GPU option and the resolution of the screen... it's a tool, but I was more curious about opinions of the screen size.

dandy728-Feb-21 4:37

dandy72

8-Feb-21 4:37

That is nice.

While (IMO) bigger is better, no doubt you'll still have to rescale everything, 'cuz with 4K across 17", nothing's gonna be readable at native resolution.

charlieg8-Feb-21 15:55

8-Feb-21 15:55

Interestingly, my display, me and my optometrist are having an argument. I'm nearsighted - not badly so - but... I'm in the process of transitioning to progressives... it's ugly.

I've seen people walk up to my laptop and say "how can you see that?". For me, I need crisp text and width of source code. Currently, the laptop I has is 1920x1080 which is okay, but the external screen is 2560x1440. And is amazing at 25" not too big as compared to a 27"...

A 17" is larger than my 15.6 but what kills me is when some laptop maker gives you a 17" at 1024x768. I'll pay for the ultra high resolution and scale up the font size.

Daniel Pfeffer6-Feb-21 5:52

Daniel Pfeffer

6-Feb-21 5:52

I prefer a lighter laptop for travel, so I have one with a 14" screen.

At home and at work, I connect it to multiple screens, so the laptop size is irrelevant. If you travel a lot and work on the plane, you may wish to consider a 14" laptop; anything larger doesn't fit onto the @#$% tables they provide in economy.

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charlieg7-Feb-21 2:48

7-Feb-21 2:48

truth. In my case, I rarely travel, thank you Jesus...

Gerry Schmitz6-Feb-21 9:54

Gerry Schmitz

6-Feb-21 9:54

I read PDF's "2 pages up" ... seems 17.3 would be better (?) if you're into that.

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#realJSOP7-Feb-21 10:04

#realJSOP

7-Feb-21 10:04

I have a 17. Because it's a laptop, and when I do dev on it, I don't want to get a headache trying to focus on what looks like 8pt text.

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charlieg8-Feb-21 15:55