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One of the purposes of marking an article obsolete would be that the author could leave it posted on Code Project. Some say obsolete articles should be deleted... I don't. I say obsolete articles should be left on Code Project but they should basically be segregated from other articles.
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Some stuff just doesn't become obselete even as technology/tools/APIs change. Giving the author only the option to request it to be flagged as obselete may be a good idea in rare cases but on the whole - if the article is of any worth, the general principles/techniques will probably still be applicable.
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Indeed. I suspect my two articles will never become obsolete because they are focused on the algorithm, not the technology. I see no harm in giving the author the option of marking the article obsolete (aside from the work of implementing it).
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Defining obsolete is a tough job. People say VB6 is obsolete but still many use it. And for them, those VB6 articles could be quite useful. Also, we cannot just go by the voting pattern since many don't care to vote. And many who visit might not be a CP member.
Automatic marking would again be a problem. Say that first ever CP article was so self explanatory and complete that no one ever thought of a need to edit it or ask something in its forum. Also people didn't even bothered to vote. In that case, that article would be made obsolete. Will that be correct?
Many would just show their backs to the articles just because they are marked obsolete which would be harsh on the writers side. So I would not like that to happen."No matter how many fish in the sea; it will be so empty without me." - From song "Without me" by Eminem
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There are many articles that will not be obsolete after a great deal of time, but there seems to be no harm in allowing the author to decide.
As far as the automatic marking, perhaps make it a little less automatic. Perhaps after 5 years, it starts showing a little header that says "this article has lasted 5 years without being changed. Do you, as a gold member or above, think it should be marked obsolete, or do you think readers would value this article for another 5 years". The author would be notified if their article was ever marked obsolete and they would always get the option of taking it out of that state.
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I agree articles in general should not disappear.
I would like for every search facility to optionally return the results in anti-chronological order though, that way the oldest results would be at the bottom.
 Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [Why QA sucks] [My Articles]
I only read code that is properly formatted, adding PRE tags is the easiest way to obtain that. All Toronto weekends should be extremely wet until we get it automated in regular forums, not just QA.
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That could be good. Perhaps even have two sections of search results, with obsolete articles below all other results (regardless of age).
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| First reported here[^][^] "Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." Robert Heinlein
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| Fixed. Thanks cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: Thanks
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I would propose that the content of messages (particularly in the Lounge) is not deleted when marked as above but left as is and the thread frozen (possibly unles a balancing number of 5 votes are recieved to reinstate it). Whilst I understand the rationale of the system it seems to me that a determined but small group of people could, effectively, censor the system as is apparent in the way that fat_boy's posts are being treated. If a post is blatantly offensive (e.g. contains profanity or explicit references or is an advert) then an independent editor/moderator should have the ability to remove it in it's entirety.Tychotics: take us back to the moon
"Life, for ever dying to be born afresh, for ever young and eager, will presently stand upon this earth as upon a footstool, and stretch out its realm amidst the stars."
H. G. Wells
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| The whole point is I don't want to have to have an independant moderator. I want the community to moderate. cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I don't see that it is working fairly. Too few people have the ability to 'gang up' and get a post removed before anyone else has the chance to view it. Perhaps marking the message as 'Offensive' or similar and then it is my choice to view it as it isn't being arbitrarily censored by people who may hold a different but no less valid view to my own. It might have a confirmation box with "Are you sure you want to read this? It may not be 'kid sister safe'?" and is only avaialable to logged in users.Tychotics: take us back to the moon
"Life, for ever dying to be born afresh, for ever young and eager, will presently stand upon this earth as upon a footstool, and stretch out its realm amidst the stars."
H. G. Wells
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| It looks to me as if the system is working precisely as it was designed. The trouble isn't with the system. The trouble is with certain individuals who can't get it through their skulls that the majority don't want to have to put up with incessant, obsessive drivel on a subject that only small minority consider to be lounge material. L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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In your ever so humble opinion, no doubt. I'm not saying that it should be there, I'm saying if it is posted I'd like to decide for myself if I want to read it: I don't need you censoring posts on my behalf. NO one is forcing you to read or respond to posts: that is your choice. How about the rest of us get that choice as well? Or is it a case of LunaticFringe says it must be his way or no way?Tychotics: take us back to the moon
"Life, for ever dying to be born afresh, for ever young and eager, will presently stand upon this earth as upon a footstool, and stretch out its realm amidst the stars."
H. G. Wells
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I realize that you seem to have trouble grasping this simple fact: IT'S A MAJORITY THAT DOESN'T WANT TO SEE THIS CRAP.
DEAL WITH IT.L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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No.it's a few people who get to the one button before I have achnace to decie whether or not I want to read it through.
The only fact I have trouble grasping is why you are being such a belligerent twat or is that the only way you can argue by attempting to shove your self-serving, half-baked opinions down someone else's throat?Tychotics: take us back to the moon
"Life, for ever dying to be born afresh, for ever young and eager, will presently stand upon this earth as upon a footstool, and stretch out its realm amidst the stars."
H. G. Wells
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| *yawn...* L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Good answer, child.Tychotics: take us back to the moon
"Life, for ever dying to be born afresh, for ever young and eager, will presently stand upon this earth as upon a footstool, and stretch out its realm amidst the stars."
H. G. Wells
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It isn't just LunaticFringe, it takes multiple votes (the vote weights are calculated as well if I'm right). So, it takes considerable amount of deliberation for a post to be removed.
How many votes or what amount of vote weight will be taken as a "considerable" quantity may be the question though.
Also, nobody is forced NOT to vote a post to be removed, nobody can be forced to. If a person feels that a post is inappropriate, he/she can freely vote for that to be removed. If many people decide that the post is appropriate, the reported abusive vote would be balanced by others and the post won't be deleted. But if it does get removed, that means many people deemed it inappropriate.
That's how the current system works.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: That's how the current system works.
Then I believe it to be wrong. The system, if memory serves, was introduced due to a high incidence of trolls and offensive material and has, to an extent, worked. However, it is now being used to censor which is an entirely different pottle of fish. Perhaps someone would be good enough to clarify the criteria. I still say that LunaticFrings (and now you) appear to be saying that it is these arbiters of good taste that decide what can be seen and unless I just happen to pop by prior to it receiving the requisite votes to remove it the post is censored, essentially, and my right to decide whether or not to read it has been removed. I feel that that is wrong and that second suggestion I made would be a fairer way of dealing with this issue.Tychotics: take us back to the moon
"Life, for ever dying to be born afresh, for ever young and eager, will presently stand upon this earth as upon a footstool, and stretch out its realm amidst the stars."
H. G. Wells
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Then why don't you suggest to your little butt-buddy that he post his crap in an appropriate forum to begin with? You might just find that it's a little better received.
God, what a moron.L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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I did and he did. Besides, whether or not I like him and/or his butt are neither here nor there: it's about the right to view before a twat like you decides I shouldn't.
LunaticFringe wrote: God, what a moron.
You really are a child.Tychotics: take us back to the moon
"Life, for ever dying to be born afresh, for ever young and eager, will presently stand upon this earth as upon a footstool, and stretch out its realm amidst the stars."
H. G. Wells
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digital man wrote: you) appear to be saying that it is these arbiters of good taste that decide what can be seen and unless I just happen to pop by prior to it receiving the requisite votes to remove it the post is censored, essentially, and my right to decide whether or not to read it has been removed.
I wonder how you made this up. I don't know about LunaticFringe, but my point was entirely different. I was stating how the current system works against your will to read such removed posts.
I do think that there could be some sort of a provision for the people who want to read such a 'purportedly abusive' post at their own will.
You could request Chris to look into the possibilities of implementing such a feature.
PS: I'm sick of seeing 1 votes and balancing those. I not balancing anything any more.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: You could request Chris to look into the possibilities of implementing such a feature.
Pretty sure that's what my threads were proposing.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: PS: I'm sick of seeing 1 votes and balancing those. I not balancing anything any more.
Agreed: would be nice if all voting were to be removed as it is superfluous: it doesn't not make me want to read a post.Tychotics: take us back to the moon
"Life, for ever dying to be born afresh, for ever young and eager, will presently stand upon this earth as upon a footstool, and stretch out its realm amidst the stars."
H. G. Wells
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