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...someone posted a link to the most WTF inducing project ever created[^].
Why...?
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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They could mix some of JS in for good measure - especially the bits that get turned off by strict.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Thanks, now I need to go buy some more mind bleach.
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I built and still maintain two web sites, one with Notepad and the other with Exressionweb4. I have a friend who asked me to recommend a designer app for his proposed site. What do you guys use/recommend?
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Thx for the info. That's exactly what I was looking for!
Sorry about the wrong group. I suppose using Notepad these
days is weird and wonderful! (Notepad site)
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That's pretty good for just using notepad.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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I write virtually everything in Notepad or vi.
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My tip would be Joomla. It is a wellknown open source solution not only building a website but maintaining it.
BTW: Our web developers are using notepad++ because it is more powerful and has some interesting plugins.
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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web design - piece of paper, then move on to Photoshop or GIMP
web development - Visual Studio, Eclipse, or PHP Storm
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I'd heard of testing in Production, but until I joined my current job, I'd never heard of running live reports from a Testing environment (test code, test database). Apparently releasing code changes to Production outside the monthly release window is so dangerous and/or bad practice that it is safer to take a copy of the Production database into the Test database and run the revised code from there. This was a compliance report to the Tax Office by the way. My People Manager and her manager both maintain there is nothing wrong with this.
What could possibly go wrong? Well, only the main database was copied down, not the lookup databases etc. What if the main routine called a another routine which had been changed? What if a tester or a batch process changed the data? What if the collation or other properties of the database were different?
What does the Code Project think? I don't think logic is going to make any difference but majority opinion may sink in.
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Would you be then running reports on potentially outdated database all the time? What if someone tests the application using that database and just changes the data? It might panic the government, right?
"You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[ ^]
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These guys aren't stupid - they refresh the test database from Production every time they need to run a report.
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A bit hard on the testers though to have all their test cases regularly trashed, but we all have to make sacrifices to adhere to best practice, right?
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Urm...isn't that too much work. How often does data update?
"You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[ ^]
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johnsyd wrote: My People Manager and her manager both maintain there is nothing wrong with this.
They say this to you - I bet they wouldn't declare this modus operandi to the external auditors though?
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Funny you should raise this - we are getting audited in May by the regulatory agency for our industry ... I think they should know about this, especially as it is best practice!
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At one bank I worked at the EOD image was loaded onto a reporting system each night, it is the only way. Reporting should never be from production, that is for data capture and process.
veni bibi saltavi
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That would actually make sense, but what these guys are doing is copying live data into a totally uncontrolled environment on an ad-hoc basis. The code that produces the reports, the data itself, is all subject to change by anyone at any time.
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If you are using a standard database product then mirroring is your friend; Oracle, SQL Server & Mongo all support mirroring. I have set up systems where there is a real time mirror of production onto a reporting DB. All updates are there and there is no problem for the eejits who say they need up to the minute data.
Then you can allow the geeks and freaks in MIS to build whatever mad reports they like. I have even seen on Oracle a reporting user create views of the [mirrored] production data in the most vile unnormalised way imaginable, but it gave the weirdo the data they wanted.
The only rules are reporting is from a copy of production rather than production itself, and that the integrity of the data is maintained.
veni bibi saltavi
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I think some people missed the decisive point. There are laws on protecting data (well, if you are in the US, things might hardly matter, but in Germany that does). On the production database, there ought to be access restrictions: not everyone can read any kind of data there. And those restrictions are normally not enforced on a "test database".
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Yes, we have just recently adopted a data masking policy for client personal data when copying Production data to Test - their names & addresses & tax identifiers are changed to random values. However in this recent case, that policy was not followed. I thinking mainly of our legal duty of care to provide accurate data for the Tax Office but you're right - we have violated our own data masking policy as well. Not sure if data masking is enforced by law here, but it is company policy. We do have privacy laws, so we can't make our clients' data public, but the law mainly covers movement of data in and out of the organisation.
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johnsyd wrote: provide accurate data for the Tax Office
Data for the Tax Office are not "live data". When you do your VAT report, you report past data: e.g. on March 10 you send a report for February. Hence that won't be a problem.
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Data for tax *is* a problem in the context we are in, despite the fact that it is past data. The mirrored reporting database is an excellent idea. It can be protected from alteration. However we don't have it and unlikely to get it any time soon.
We downloaded production data into a testing database. The data (including past data) is unprotected. It could be changed by anyone in between the download and running the report. So could the code to generate the report.
Management told me there was nothing wrong with that particular approach - my posting was intended to see what the members here thought about it.
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Is this a temporary scenario or business as usual?
If it's BAU that's bad; they should look to improve things so that they're in a better scenario long term; perhaps a simple compromise would be creating a staging database which they can use for these tasks (i.e. created with this purpose in mind, so it's not going to be affected by test activities, but gives flexibility of deployments alongside protecting production).
If it's a one off because of some reason then go with what's pragmatic; these things are OK as long as everyone understands it's a bad thing and accepts that it's "just this once" in an emergency situation... so long as you don't find you're always in an emergency situation...
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