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So I bought my parents a Christmas gift online last Friday, on a French website, and, to my surprise, got an email a few minutes after I had ordered, from an obscure Saveguard company, stating that I needed to send a copy of my ID card (both sides) as well as an electricity bill (for instance) , at best per snail mail or fax, as well as a valid fixed line phone number, to confirm I am real and that the can deliver to the address I had put in the order form.   . My order would be put on stand-by until I send the required documents. ARE YOU F**ing KIDDING ME ? 
After a quick google, this happens to be ... no phishing or hoax. It is real. In 2014. Online companies now request documents to be sent to them to prove online buyers are real.
Turns out that I could also send the documents by email ?! How secure is that ? Do I really need to send via uncrypted email a copy of my valid ID card to order something online for 170€ ?? WTFFFF?
Is this only some new French paranoia, or is it the same in other countries ?
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I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Rage wrote: to confirm I am real and that the can deliver to the address I had put in the order form
Who cares if you're real or not as long as your credit card payment goes through? 
Wow. I've never heard of that before. Sounds like a good reason to avoid them.
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I actually agree with Ryan... If you get a legitimate payment confirmation that you will indeed receive the money then why does it need to confirm that you are real? There is for a reason a T & C's section that covers (suppose to) that in the event of delivery the person sending the article was not there or could not be identified the parcel will be returned to the Office where the person that made the order can pick up the article and if after 30 days no claim has been made the parcel will be sold to cover costs. Well something like that. 
If I were you I would get my hands on a deceased person's ID and send that through as verification where you (it obviously being on computer, so no proof of authenticity can be done) manipulate it to show all your details that they have on their system when you placed the order. At least that way they can use that in an advert stating that they will deliver. Even in death! 
While you are there ask for proof of authenticity that they will indeed send the real thing you order as is to you on a time of your convenience and get an authenticity papers signed that the person to deliver the package is indeed real. 
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...and that the truck they use to bring the item to you is properly taxed and insured to prevent loss due to the police stopping and impounding said truck with your item still on it!
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I will answer you if you send me a copy of your credit card statements along with the login to your internet bank. Your question will be set on hold until I receive those documents...
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Rage wrote: on a French website
I think I've identified your problem...
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Might be. But as a French, buying online on French websites makes delivery less expensive...
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Rage wrote: But as a French
I think I've identified your other problem...
*ducks* 
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ROTFL 
*surrenders*
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Rage wrote: *surrenders*
Back to type...
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Now, now be nice! 
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Rage will report you for spamming again!
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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I've not seen it here, but...have you tried to get the goods delivered to an address other than that registered to the credit card you used? If so, you may need to provide proof to ensure you aren't using a stolen / cloned card.
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And then, how do you prove that the documents I've sent are not false / stolen as well ? This is crazy.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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The first time i encountered such thingy was when buying "Weapons/Softairs" online cause they needed to know if i am allowed t have that stuff.
->Germany disklikes guns, doesn't matter if toys or real s**t
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Perhaps your country of origin has something to do with it.
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I bought something on a website last week, put my address as the billing address to go with my card, my parents' address as the delivery address.
Because the billing address and delivery address were different and it was the first time I had used them they phoned me up and asked me a couple of quick questions about the billing address (they were looking at it on google maps I believe) to check that I wasn't trying to use a stolen card.
That's a good idea I thought.
Only time anyone has cared what addresses I use though.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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This is something else than sending a copy of your ID card on the interweb...
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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chriselst wrote: That's a good idea I thought.
Not that good, what's to prevent the potential thief from doing the same (looking at google maps).
Never had to do anything like this, but then I don't buy that much stuff online.
Tom
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I don't think it was designed to fool the professional criminal, just a small company getting a human to do a little extra checking.
Good idea I thought, and still do.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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If nothing else, it shows they are making an effort to reduce card crime - and that could mean that their insurance is lower, or they don't suffer any losses if the card does turn out to be cloned.
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I recently read something about changes to EU VAT rules for ecommerce that were, in the opinion of the writer, going to massively elephant up the shopping experience starting next year. I'm guessing this is just the start of the deluge from someone who got his new system on a month early.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
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Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
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Found the blog post[^] I saw the other day. Limited to digital goods; but looks completely elephanted up...
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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