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As expected (from Thee), excellent insights; I have just sent you a virtual L2 micro-payment worth 2 300+ gram slow char-broiled red snappers stuffed with a stalk of lemon grass: can you get here in the four hours they will remain tastiest ?
I wonder, if complete anonymizing were implemented, if that would address your concerns about impact on "atmosphere" ?
I propose a counter-factual:
Member "X" got 50 pounds in micro-payments this last three months; X knows which post got a donation, what the total donation per post was. X does not know who sent the donations, or if the total amount per donation came from one donor, or many.
The donor "Y" has access to a list of donation dates, to what post, amount.
Possible benefits;
1) X can gain some ideas about which of their contributions have been perceived as unusually relevant, or appreciated.
2) Y can possibly gain some ideas about which members they want to follow in the future.
3) if the CP user "Z", browsing whatever, sees that a certain post got above a certain donation total, or, can search by donation total, that may alert them to posts more relevant. I regret to say that there is probably no new feature that some people will not abuse, and that CP would not incur staff-time cost in implementing, let alone, preventing abuse of. Consider the number of junk articles posted now; the number of absurd QA questions posted because CP does not demand the poster enter a few simple Tags to identify the context/platform/language, etc. ... that the C# language forum has become a QA forum ... the number of posts on the Lounge that are QA questions. "Abuse" is probably too strong a word, here, since it has overtones of negative intentionality. The fact that the most appropriate QA forum gets very little traffic may motivate a member to post on another forum ... rather than indifference than reflect indifference to rules, or "others do it ... why not me?"
May sound like I'm fed-up ? Not the case: a few flies in the soy-milk can be easily removed by straining (selective inattention) and, the pleasure, challenge, rewards, of being a member are, for me, comparatively, "astronomical"
cheers, Bill
@chris-maunder
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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You would have to prevent people donating to their own posts as that would artificially inflate their apparent value and would cost them nothing as the money would go from them back to their own account.
Perhaps we could be more altruistic and donate money for helpful contributions, but the donated money could be given to a charity / emergency appeal rather than to the article's author but still enhancing the author's / article's reputation. There could, say, be a choice of 3 or 4 charities to donate to, which changes every couple of months.
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You can't upvote your posts on forums now, so a mechanism for handling that is in place.jsc42 wrote: Perhaps we could be more altruistic and donate money for helpful contributions, but the donated money could be given to a charity / emergency appeal rather than to the article's author but still enhancing the author's / article's reputation. There could, say, be a choice of 3 or 4 charities to donate to, which changes every couple of months. I proposed to Chris CP have a scholarship fund members could donate to enable a once-a-year grant for a young programmer's education several. years ago.
imho, having a select list of charities might lead to controversy.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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BillWoodruff wrote: An alternative ? Let me "transfer" rep-points I have earned. I'm with @OriginalGriff on this. As soon as people realised they could make money from the site it would become home to the wrong sort. And probably drive the rest of us elsewhere. Keep the points system as is, just a thank you every so often is all I need or want.
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Your reaction, and opinion, always valued !
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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I would say the same for your suggestions. Disagreeing with someone does not make their ideas any less valid.
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Hi Richard,
Since you quoteQuote: "transfer" rep-points from my post, I see this reply as a reply to the idea of financial micro-payments; do you think that the alternative of allowing members to donate votes from their rep-points would have the same consequences, or, other negative outcomes ? Keeping in mind the anonymization, in this case, would be even more stringent.
I do see a few members on QA who regularly upvote certain other members' "solutions," no matter how off-topic, how irrelevant, how much a comment, rather than solution, the content is. Perhaps a "I vote yours, you vote mine" pattern. imho, there are several MVP's whose rep-points are bloated from this behavior.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Up votes are like down votes, anyone can do them any time. I really don't think it is that big a deal unless you really believe it gives you some special status. I prefer things the way they are; if you like my solution or answer then feel free to up (or down) vote it. But offering to transfer your points to someone else does not seem a good idea.
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I understand the basic facts of up- and down-voting, but, I am having trouble inferring how those facts relate to your concluding statement:
Richard MacCutchan wrote: offering to transfer your points to someone else does not seem a good idea. Could you help me see the connection ?
thanks, Bill
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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It is a point you made earlier.
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Sorry, i don't see what that point was; in my counter-factual thought experiment, i defined hypothetical benefits. Appreciate your help in understanding ... running off 4 days worth of insomnia here after adjusting my thyroid meds.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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As my signature says the last 10 years or more...
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Your reaction, and opinion, always valued !
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Your reaction, and opinion, always valued !
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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I agree that it would change the site, namely to one that matches up those who want their homework done with those who are willing to do it--for a price. And I'd be willing to act as the escrow service--for a modest cut.
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That's an interesting point: what would stop a homework shirker from offering an incentive ?
However, if I could donate rep-points, would that remove that "back-door" ?
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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If you mean the site only supporting the donation of rep points, then yes, because people wanting their homework done have few points to donate!
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BillWoodruff wrote: I would not want to know that OriginalGriff received 100k pounds last year Too late. That's why he is giving up the thought of the day ritual. He's made too much money and is retiring.
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Member 15329613 wrote: He's made too much money
How is this possible?! Isn't OG afraid that EMOG(*) might not come along and pip him at the post?
(*) EMOG == Even More Original Griff
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: pip him at the post fascinating idiom, thanks ! i'll have to research its origin; at the 'post' jars my senses: wouldn't a horse suddenly overtake and win at the finish line ?
ooh: lots of possible etymologies: [^]. Now, why did Dickens name the protagonist of "Great Expectations" "Pip" ... because, as a boy, he could not articulate his fullname:Quote: "My father's family name being Pirrip, and my Christian name Philip, my infant tongue could make of both names nothing longer or more explicit than Pip.
Because use of a palindrome is a metaphor for the tabula rasa of Pip-as-boy-orphan, ignorant of his noble birth ?
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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I wish!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I'm signing up for the beta trial, sending you my bank account number later today.
My guess is that with 15 million users we'd need at least 1 million test transactions for a representative test
Completely unrelated, I'm retiring early
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@sanderrossel i am certain that with the assistance of a local sorcerer/ghost-buster and psychic (Mor Phii, Mor Doo) we can trigger an avalanche of donations to you ! i'm talking you driving a Porsche, or a Rolls, wearing a Rolex, sex change, face transplant, new name, Swiss bank accounts, new passport, new ID, yacht, groupies.
To start, we need to get the sorcerer ... uhhh ... lubricated, equipped, supplied, and motivated to join our team; i'd say we need US$ 10k to start plus a 20% equity share of founders' stock. You send me US$ 5k, i put up the other half.
When the revenue starts rolling in we deduct expenses, and split the net proceeds 40/40% you and me, and 20% to the shaman.
The shaman has offered to throw in a ritual to produce a binding spell which will be activated if you, or, i, ever cheat each other, or him: in that case we will be horribly disfigured, and, bats will follow us wherever we go.
cheers, Bill
By the way, i'll need a sample of your blood for our magic guy; he tells me the three of us need to be blood-brothers to fully potentiate his spells, minimum 25 ml.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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BillWoodruff wrote: i am certain that with the assistance of a local sorcerer/ghost-buster and psychic (Mor Phii, Mor Doo) we can trigger an avalanche of donations to you ! i'm talking you driving a Porsche, or a Rolls, wearing a Rolex, sex change, face transplant, new name, Swiss bank accounts, new passport, new ID, yacht, groupies. This will certainly help me in the long run!
Bla bla bla revenue bla bla shaman... All in all, I'm in!
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