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ha, no, a Win10 update. I never update VS but I do run multiple stable versions.
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To be fair to Microsoft: Your money definitely matters to them... they want them!
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They forgot they have to be nice to me if they want my money. If they waste my time, they start making me less likely to buy their very expensive product. Especially in my case, as I've already moved over to VS Code for probably 75% of my development.
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The last MS development tool that I paid for was Visual Studio 6. As I am a single developer making well under USD 5,000,000 per annum from my work, I just use their Community Editions.
I do pay for Windows (whenever I buy a new computer) and for Office (Office 365, for the entire family), so MS still gets something from me. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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honey the codewitch wrote: My money doesn't matter to them
Ow, it does. It's actually the only thing that does.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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And you can't blame the lowly Microsoft worker either. I survived when the C-levels pushed through HR changes from what used to be a total of 20 levels promotion of workers to 100+ levels of career level and promotion. They told us that we would be promoted twice as much as before, but in fact that never happened. It was like The C-levels who decided that had just time-dilated our existence so that we could never ever reach their level again. Check. we are now protected they thought. SO these C-level employees then ran the ship for many years in the shadows for a while, before becoming wholly beholden to the stock price used for their extremely high pay (100's of thousands of stock shares per year) and that of the countless money funds out there who want it to increase all the time. So Microsoft is not really a company anymore, but a zombified company whose only motivation is extracting more money(brains) from you at any cost in order to increase the stock price. So I agree with you. They just want your money   
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Stephen Spady wrote: They just want your money
It's a company, not charity 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Yeah there definitely is a fair bit of scattershot going on with VS. I wish there were a "Send me only major point upgrades and serious security updates". The "corrected missing accent in French translation of XAML toothbrush adapter copyright notice" updates that take you out for 15 mins seem like someone forgot we're actually using this tool of theirs all day, every day
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I've got a W10 Kelyx only for Films/Series/Music (like a SmartTV, 'cause it has some GBs of space), but this "awesome" machine allways tries to download securities/policies/fixes upgrades. I putted down upgrades in Machine - Config, but sometimes it displays the upgrade screen. They're funny, really funny...
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Sort of like the vaccination debate. "Don't inject me with your fixes!"
But, yes, they'll crash your (my) game session by pushing an update to the game even while you're playing.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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My vaccine didn't kill my work for the rest of the day. It was super convenient and less costly for me than Visual Studio has been lately.
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Poor MS, perhaps it is a lonely beast, and these crude gestures are the only ways it knows to tell us it needs love
i think of my last divine-female-mistress (cat) and her offerings of dead birds, and mice.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Good luck. I mean it.
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I had a project that started to not open well in VS2019 earlier this year. Still don't know the real reason why. Other projects were just fine and it compiled in VS2017.
"Luckily" my version of Windows 10 had reached end of support but wouldn't successfully update. Windows update had pushed it off for a very long time because of a sound driver problem.
I ended up have to wipe the drive and install Windows 10 21H1 and all my other apps. Now the project works just fine again in VS2019. The laptop in general has been running very well and I may be able to get it to last until Windows 10 goes out of support. 5 years down 4 to go.
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All of a sudden I feel a whole lot less embarrassed about the fact that our development environment at work is still Visual Studio 2008.
Software Zen: delete this;
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It was a good VS. I am now using 2017 and it's good, I am a C / C++ developer so I really don't need many VS updates. C is still the same, C++ may differ in features but C++/17 is already cluttered enough, no need to update either.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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That's weird. I'm using VS as well, but I never get mandatory updates, only optional ones (as in "you can click here to update now or just ignore everything as long as you like"), that solves the problem with metered connections.
The updates themselves ain't huge either. The ones I'm getting are more CD-sized. Maybe 2 of them, but certainly not a whole DVD worth.
When something like this happens with Steam, it's a sign of the installation being FUBAR.
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First of all I didn't say they were mandatory. I said they couldn't be canceled.
Second, it wasn't my machine. I had no control over what my client, the user did when he started visual studio, 3000 miles away from me
I had to end our session for the day, because once the update triggered we were dead in the water.
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Start by switching to JetBrains Rider.
Then, once accustomed, switch to Linux.
Can you imagine a life without forced reboots?
A life where your computer and your software belong to you again?
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I will never run linux as a host OS again. It is unstable trash
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Unstable - yes.
Trash - in some ways.
Windows is definitely a higher quality OS with a much smoother experience.
Only problem is the constant repeating f***-you from Microsoft.
I work on Linux inside VMWare. I make snapshots before applying updates or even installing a new program. It helps...
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Archlinux is stable enough, but it's not a proper primary OS - it's for embedded and the like.
Yeah, I dislike Microsoft too.
And Apple. I was almost going to switch to apple because i was tired of running windows, and Apple's operating system is in theory at least, better, but then they ripped off a teenaged orphan I know to the tune of $800 bucks. He worked all summer for that garbage phone. Poor kid. I will never buy a product from them now.
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I have been using Fedora Linux for years (current v34) with the Plasma environment.
Very stable, with updates at your discretion.
I run Win10 in the Oracle VM VirtualBox. This is the only way I'll ever use Windows again! I like treating it as "just another program"! The reason I'm even using it at all, is because I am doing a Diploma in Software Development that has a C# stream.
FYI: Hardware spec:
- CPU: Intel i7-11700KF @ 3.60GHz (16x Cores/Threads)
- RAM: 31.2GiB
- Vid: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650
- Storage: SSD 2TB
Even with all this, I still had to configure the VM to allow Win10 access to 8 Cores and 10GB RAM to get any descent level of useful response.
I still remember using MS-DOS 4.0 and then Win 2.11/95. Back then "win.exe" WAS just a program running on MS-DOS. OH, for the good old days 
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That's a big nope for me. Running Windows in a virtualbox on a linux host always gives me USB capture problems from the windows end. I've never had USB issues going from Windows to Linux (any flavor) using VMWare's free tool.
full USB on both platforms is critical for me because of the type of hardware development I do.
Additionally, the tools for some of my analyzers don't really work too well on linux if at all. Apple sure. Windows fine, but linux is often an afterthought.
Worse, and the thing that will shy me away from everything linux except for Archlinux for example doing embedded stuff:
I've had the #*(@# thing reboot on me while copying a file to a USB disk. There was NO hardware issue.
I've had updates wipeout my boot loader (on ubuntu this was a problem but not on fedora - still - i almost swore here just now thinking about GRUB and its UEFI weirdness) I don't even want to try any of these now that i have secure boot and all of that enabled. Nope. Nope. Nope.
Sorry, Linux is still a hobbyist OS, or a server OS. I hate actually having to dev on one.
Furthermore, in this case, I work from home, and this machine is attached to my home gear. so I play the odd game on it. I don't care about mixing business and pleasure in this case, because if my machine dies i have everything important backed up. i'm a source control freak.
Linux is just not a host OS for me, and that's the nicest thing I can say about it.
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