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Slacker007 wrote: Let's keep it real.
I am keeping it real. Don't be one of those types on CP that gets all sensitive any time someone presents new info. We're supposed to be adults, even though everyone knows programmers are some of the most immature folks around.
BMI sucks. Just spend 5 mins Googling it to see what I mean.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: ody fat percentage is a much better metric to judge against if you want to get fit.
How about trying to be healthy?
Did you really think BMI makes you "fit"? Fit for what? COVID?
Your immune system requires energy. Meaning calories, like fat. That is healthy, not your BMI nonsense.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Go away Eddy... I will not let you insult or demean me when you can't even be bothered to read my posts. Go argue with someone else foolish enough to "engage".
Jeremy Falcon
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I did read all that dribble. I did, really.
Food isn't just "fuel", and fat people can die without food.
Every post that is wrong on the topic, you'll get a response from me to explain just how wrong you are. That's a promise 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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You did not. If you did, you skimmed at best. Since we both know there's no "winning" with your type... just go away bro.
Jeremy Falcon
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Cp-Coder wrote: I will buy your BMI. Will pay any sum. Just name your price!
I remember once, in the gym, many years ago... a heavyset fellow watched me lose a lot of weight. He literally came to me with a heartfelt plea about helping him lose weight and asked me how I did it. I told him the truth, "change your diet and exercise." At that moment he snapped out of his trance and immediately said "oh, I can't do that" and walked away.
The point is, everyone knows how to lose weight. Nobody wants to change their lifestyle however. It's not rocket science.
Jeremy Falcon
modified 6-Feb-23 12:36pm.
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ditto
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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“I'm not fat! I'm short for my weight!”
Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
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I am not getting fat, clothes are shrinking because they are washed with hot water...
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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For a summer job during my college years (late 70's) I worked in a drug store warehouse - on my feet bopping around all day. I would eat 4 to 6 sandwiches during the 1/2 hour lunch. No matter what I ate I stayed under 170 pounds -- I'm 6' 4". (The ladies who worked there would just give me the death stare as I ate as fast as I could before the bell rang.)
Those days are long long gone - now if I ate like that I would be mistaken for an inflatable beach ball and I've been struggling for a few years to keep my weight under 200. This year's Christmas cookies and eggnog did NOT help. Celery and carrots are a lousy substitute for real food.
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just eat more salad.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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Steak salad... taco salad...
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Having been fat more than once my life... everyone knows how to lose weight. Being overweight is an emotional issue mixed with just years of bad habits. You change your habits, your emotions will change, your body will change.
I can tell you from experience that her chance of success in pulling it off will greatly increase if you do it as a team. Granted, you don't need to lose weight, but if you're sneaking in donuts it's just going to make her life and cravings harder.
Absolute worst thing is for her to feel alone in this change.
Jeremy Falcon
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Software Zen: delete this;
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Not sure if the doctor gave y'all a plan, but it's worth mentioning that the honest MDs will tell you they're not nutritionists. And if you speak to a nutritionist, the honest ones will tell you they're not athletes (well some sure, but you get the idea). That is to say, you may or may not be getting the full picture from a single visit to just one person.
Not sure if you know all this stuff, if so... oops... then it'll be for someone else... but remember calories is a concept of the mind to approximate. They mean a lot less than you think. Your body's information system is chemicals and hormones. Calories is something we cooked up to sound smart. Don't take my word for it... according to traditional "science" it's about 3k calories per pound. So if you at 100 less caries per day and did nothing else... you'd think in 30 days you'd lose a pound. Nope. Never works that way. Ask anyone on a failed diet (ignoring water weight, etc. issues for the sake of simplicity here).
In short. it's hormones. Period. When you eat is just as important as how much you eat and what you eat. And the number one hormone being out of whack to cause weight gain is insulin. There are others like cortisol, but bare with me.
What is all this getting to? In short, calorie restriction can work but it's a mind-made concept that's an approximation of something you body has no concept of. It's just to make us feel good by pretending we understand something about the body we don't.
Focus on your meal timing and what's in the food first and foremost. Also, trigger new hormones with exercise. Yes, portion sizes too, but you can eat 20 bowls of cucumbers 5 chicken breasts a day and still lose weight - hormones.
Jeremy Falcon
modified 6-Feb-23 13:19pm.
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Nuts and seeds get me through the day when there's nothing else. Protein shakes; there's now a vegan one that taste like vanilla (not bad).
Starvation diet: 800 calories per day (lying motionless).
1600 calories: "average"; 100-200 per hour.
Anything over that, you gain weight unless you up the activity level.
("Grazing" is the key; no "3 squares per day". And no carbs after 6:00 PM, when the metabolism slows down. And "breakfast is the most important meal of the day": (low fat) cottage cheese is the "perfect" food).
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
modified 6-Feb-23 13:10pm.
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: Starvation diet: 800 calories per day (lying motionless).
Not everybody is starting from the same place or have the same lifestyle or the same body (height, etc.). A 500 pound man could eat 0 calories per day and not starve. He may feel hungry and should take some vitamins and electrolytes at the very least, but he'll not starve. The whole point of fat is stored fuel for times of famine. We all know this, but somehow we don't think about this.
Starvation being defined here as going catabolic and your body starts eating itself to stay alive. A dude with 0% body fat will starve much, much, much quicker than dude with 50% body fat.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: A 500 pound man could eat 0 calories per day and not starve.
Everyone knows about the pirates that did not eat and missed vitamine C?
Jeremy Falcon wrote: The whole point of fat is stored fuel for times of famine
Food is not only fuel. You need vitamins, minerals, salts. Also, a 500 pound man would die; without protein to build new cells, you will die. That's why you cannot live on sugar alone.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: A dude with 0% body fat
If you want to know about food, ask a doctor. Not a fitness nut.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Food is not only fuel. You need vitamins, minerals, salts. Also, a 500 pound man would die; without protein to build new cells, you will die. That's why you cannot live on sugar alone.
You just proved you didn't actually read my posts. I'm willing to bet money you have no idea what protein really is. You're the type to read just a little on a subject and think you're an expert. Whatever. All you accomplished was not learning from someone who's studied this topic for decades. Congrats... for nothing.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I'm willing to bet money you have no idea what protein really is
It's what is taken from your heart if you stop eating!
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Nope. I wish CP had a blocking feature. You'd be the first on my list.
Jeremy Falcon
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Also, and this is going to sound crazy, but it works. A lot of times fasting can be easier than a normal diet. Sometimes it's easier to turn the switch off, so to speak, than to change everything you put in your mouth all at once. I mean you should, but doing it all at once is a recipe for rebounds if you're addicted to garbage food.
No matter what hunger pangs someone may feel, if they are overweight, their body will survive when eating every other day for instance. That's the whole point of body fat... stored fuel... you just need to force your body to tap into it. And if your meal isn't perfect on your "on" day, at least you have a hormonal day off for your body to work with. Just make sure on your "off" day you drink nothing but water or black coffee etc.
Just another tool in the toolbox. It may not be for everyone. But it's an option.
Jeremy Falcon
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I walk without fail, 2-4 miles a day. I never put off any chore, I do it the moment it needs to be done. I eat medium breakfast, small lunch and small dinner. Don't count calories, count steps. Have not lost a lot of weight, but I keep it off and keep it steady. Make herself walk with you, not a lot at first but little by little.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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She is right: with your BMI, a marathon would be hard. 
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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OriginalGriff wrote: I may have to cheat and secretly binge on chocolate
The only solution: eat until your BMI matches hers. Yours going up, hopefully herself's coming down.
Then you can both diet. 
Seriously, best of luck to herself.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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