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Many moons ago I did POS for drycleaning. One of the customers was a particularly nice guy, and helpful, too, in that when he found a bug he'd try to reproduce it - making my life oh-so-much better.
When let go by the DC software company, I no longer had a conflict of interests and made him several apps for his stores to work with the software (I wrote). No guilt trip for my former employer's needs: 2 weeks severance pay after 9 years - and no notice, either!*
In both our cases, we did what was done without expecting a payback - this little tastes of Utopia of which life allows us an occasional sampling.
If I get a bit of free time, I may code a present for him.
* They got their comeuppance: the person hired to replace me (at a higher salary) was supposed to recreate their app in 1 yr (it took me 2 yrs by their reckoning to build it from scratch). My replacement, and his "successors", took nearly 4 years, and it's still designed around my original layout and dbase schema. They also needed to contract with me to create DTS-like apps for rival software databases, since the replacements couldn't seem to handle it.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"How do you find out if you're unwanted if everyone you try to ask tells you to stop bothering them and just go away?" - Balboos HaGadol
"It's a sad state of affairs, indeed, when you start reading my tag lines for some sort of enlightenment. Sadder still, if that's where you need to find it." - Balboos HaGadol
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Balboos wrote: 2 weeks severance pay after 9 years - and no notice, either
Now THAT sucks.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I do consulting work for a friend periodically, and I've written software for my step-dad's company. They both pay the same rate as my other contract customers. Neither one of them would ever think of asking me to work for free.
I think that's the crux of the matter. If someone would impose on a personal relationship like that just to get free work out of you, what does that say about how they view you?
Software Zen: delete this;
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You can reverse the question, how do they view you?
I have no problem to dedicate an hour to friend, but real project is different thing
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An hour or two is one thing; I'll do that, for free, as a matter of course. To my mind, a real project is anything that requires more than a few hours to develop, or requires maintenance.
I assumed this survey question referred to real projects.
While reasoning by example isn't proof, it helps illustrate the point.
Suppose your brother is a lawyer. You wouldn't expect him to file a lawsuit for you for free, would you?
What if he was a car salesman? You wouldn't expect to be able to walk into his showroom, say "I want that one", and have him hand you the keys.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary Wheeler wrote: Suppose your brother is a lawyer. You wouldn't expect him to file a lawsuit for you for free, would you?
I would.
Gary Wheeler wrote: What if he was a car salesman? You wouldn't expect to be able to walk into his showroom, say "I want that one", and have him hand you the keys
No, but I would expect him to give up his comission.
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Gary Wheeler wrote: What if he was a car salesman? You wouldn't expect to be able to walk into his showroom, say "I want that one", and have him hand you the keys.
No but I WOULD expect him to try and SELL me a car, probably used knowing my brother.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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rrrado wrote: how do they view you?
That preserves a professional relationship. If we attempt to disturb the professional boundaries by way of informal friendships and other such gestures; there might be more heartburns in the longer run.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep!
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I charge my friends and family $20/visit for the first hour, $15 thereafter.
Most of them had Windows for several years until they realize how much it cost them (I showed them the 2+ years of 'tech support' bills).
They bought Macs. I charged 1 hour of 'migrating' data from Windoze, then 1 hour of training. Then 2 hours of free training.
That was 2 years ago. Their total cost for ownership for Windows was 50% greater than the Mac in those 2 years, including the 2 free hours of training.
I now only hear from them when they want to do *MORE* with their Mac; not fix a problem.
I don't charge them anymore for 'help'.
Yup, it's that easy.
ASPX ~ Apple Simply Performs eXcellently
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LOL. I was waiting for this post. I knew someone would write it. It's true about Macs.
(I'm reinstalling Windows this weekend. Windows + Office + updates... should take around 5 hours.)
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I agree. There is no such thing called free lunch. However, in this part of the world, one can really witness bad attitude like people from previous organizations virtually soliciting our assistance running behind us bugging 24x7 more than even a paid client would do.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep!
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I like to think I am my significant other's significant other.
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Well, that would be a precondition for a relationship. Most kinds of relationships, anyway.
modified on Monday, May 18, 2009 9:55 AM
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