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charlieg wrote: The AFA is nothing more than a step into a single payer system with the
exception of the ruling class.
Ok but then the solution is a constitutional congress.
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charlieg wrote: but I'll see if I can be fair.
Just in case you were wondering - no you were not even close to giving a "fair" representation of the topic. That would require presenting both sides.
charlieg wrote: Worse, they just flat out lied to make it more acceptable
Nonsense.
charlieg wrote: They made some predictions based on common sense:
As always - people who are actually capable of predicting the future should make a lot of money doing that rather than eking out a living by writing predictions.
charlieg wrote: I have personally seen #1, 3, and 4 occur.
Since it is not now in force one can guarantee that there is no cause and effect in that statement.
And #1 is a flat out wrong given that it has been happening for 15 years, under the existing system, and long before the new system was proposed.
charlieg wrote: So, as bumbling as government is, we want them "doing healthcare"?
Since the existing system is very badly broken and getting worse not better something needed to be done. Other nations manage to run fairly effective health care for the vast majority of their citizens and seem to do so at a fraction of the cost so one is left with the supposition that is not government but rather the US government that is left with any failure to implement.
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Well, we disagree on the fairness. I recognize we have issues in the system. But the system does not belong to the government or the people. My health care is my health care. That is where the argument was lost.
"Flat out lied" - nonsense.
You just lost all of your credibility. This administration has done nothing but lie.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: Well, we disagree on the fairness
Your treatment was very one-sided which means it was not fair.
charlieg wrote: <layer>But the system does not belong to the government or the people. My health care is my health care. That is where the argument was lost.
The US is not an anarchy. Every facet is regulated. The current system is regulated both at the state and federal level. So obviously that has nothing to do with it.
charlieg wrote: This administration has done nothing but lie.
Nonsense. Nothing but an attempt to get a rise and based on nothing but fantasy. At best based on a lack of knowledge about the difficulty associated with analyzing and running complex systems and how the difficulty increases as the systems grow. At worst just ignorance.
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Interestingly, only by quoting that exact statement can you get away with using the non-word "ain't" in an English class without a repremand (at least that was true when I went to school - probably not any more considering the speech patterns of all the news commentators - adverbs have seemed to completely disappear).
Dave.
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Member 4194593 wrote: at least that was true when I went to school
Perhaps your teachers didn't understand that english was a living language and thus it does and will change. And\or perhaps they were paying attention to changes that were occurring. But to be fair they were probably trying their best to teach a limited set of rules and not the entire subject.
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If they can't even get the web site right what does that say about the impending healthcare system?
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exactly my thought.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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There's a lot more I wanted to say but thought would be better suited for the soapbox and didn't want to stir a hornets nest, as I think a lot of people still support his arrogant ass.
He promised hope and change I just hope he don't change much more. 3 more years what else can he screw up!
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Reminder - I really didn't want to start a war  I was just curious as to the reputation of CGI Federal. For 650 million... I love my digital rock.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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As a former CGI Federal employee, it is an American company sort of. The US Government has a lot of rules about how they do business. CGIF is owned by the parent CGI (a Canadian company) but it is firewalled from the rest of CGI kind of like a blind trust that a politician might have to control their investments but keep them from having any input so they couldn't be accused of influencing legislation to benefit their investments.
CGIF does contracts with the Federal Gov't. Name a branch of FedGov't and they probably are involved in it. American Passport? Probably processed at a CGIF location (because CGI bought Stanley Associates who had the lion share of that business)
CGIF people have to fill out a report ANY time they have a conversation with a CGI person. They can't work in the same building even on different floors. My boss had to fill out a contact report when there was a company social event and we mingled with regular CGI people.
Good company to work for, I had no real complaints other than the soda choices being Pepsi products in an office in Atlanta, the home of Coca-Cola. I was let go because the contract I was working under was ended and I couldn't find anything else with CGI/CGIF in Atlanta.
A couple of my former coworkers got on one of the exchange projects. It was started at the end of March and they were expected to have it stood up by Oct 1. Don't know if they made it or not. Seems like a lot of the exchanges were rush jobbed. From my experience it was because the Gov't side took forever to provide specs and probably changed them repeatedly once the development team got going.
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Heard about the swiss federal project "Insieme"? (Some IT Project to replace a system from the 80's (yeah, you heard that right)
After having spent around 100 million Swiss Francs they have seen that the project will be far more expensive than they originally thought it would, they aborted it. Basically, the government has thrown 100 million swiss francs out of the window to get nothing at all.
At no time anyone was able to tell how much it would have costed in total...
That's project management at its finest...
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Jobs was a Buddhist, right? That being the case, I’m hoping for a little time warping reincarnation that sticks him back on the planet three or four decades ago. He can stay in stasis until this month just to keep him from bumping into himself and disrupting the time-space continuum, or whatever other evil fate such events inspire.
By most accounts he was an absolute dictatorial SOB, and I probably wouldn’t last ten minutes in a room with him. I don’t care. I just want MS to give him Ballmer’s job. They need a second coming of someone, and Jobs has the best resume for that sort of thing.
Besides, it’s the most reliable way I know of to drop Windows 8 into the bit bucket. I could even live with the iWindows branding if it would get MS back on track again.
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Christopher Duncan wrote: They need a second coming of someone, and Jobs has the best resume for that sort of thing.
Jobbs?
..must be a sick joke. He had that chance with the Mac. Multiple times. No results.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Second coming of Jobs:
Three out of four ain't bad.
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When nightmares come true...
this is a ridiculous Imagination which simply would result in a second Apple company...  
what is worse than one Apple company?
Correct: two of them... 
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Clodetta del Mar wrote: what is worse than one Apple company?
I KNOW! I KNOW!
ME! ME! ME!
Finding half a ... Windows operating system in IOS7.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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His reincarnation could be long-term jobless.
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Holy poop....I was sitting watching closely, then it all let go. Didn't half make me jump  
Neodymium Magnets Reaching Terminal Velocity [^]
Yes, the title of the video is not correct, but that is not my fault and doen't change the fact I still jumped!
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Strange - it did pretty much exactly what I thought it would once the compressed air started it spinning! 
What was the OP expecting? Warp speed? 
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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I know, couple of moments I noticed the imbalance starting, then it recovered again. Wonder what force was required to split it apart? Shame he didn't have a tacho on it to see what the RPM was.
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DaveAuld wrote: Yes, the title of the video is not correct,
Because of "Terminal Velocity"? maybe not in the usual sense the term is taken, but for light practical purposes the magnets array did reach its "terminal velocity" to keep their magnetic cohesion 
-- RP
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30 second and it got the flick.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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