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Jörgen Andersson wrote: BTW, your link to ProActive Secure Systems fails with a "500 Internal Server Error"
Gone. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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Yup. I dropped the dots when I moved to England, as it was too tiresome to try to explain to people that it wasn't because I like heavy metal. 
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Our dev team in the UK has 1 Welsh surname, 1 Scots, 3 Irish, 1 Indian, 2 Pakistani, 1 Nigerian, 6 English (whatever that means), although that doesn't match the nationalities or skin colours, and doesn't tell you what accents they have.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Well, you have been auditioning for the role of "endangering species" for years; looks like you finally found the theater, and the play.
As we say in showbiz: "break a leg."
“The best hope is that one of these days the Ground will get disgusted enough just to walk away ~ leaving people with nothing more to stand ON than what they have so bloody well stood FOR up to now.” Kenneth Patchen, Poet
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Indian/Pakistani
In the same office sitting next to each other is a feat in and of itself.
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In our office we have Chinese, Indians and quite a few first gen. Russians. Problem occurs at lunch when food aromas woft through the air many very delicious, or when one wants to run up and down the stairwell at lunch and there is someone doing Tai Chi on one of the landings in the stairwell.
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Eggbert Bartholomew Bligh wrote: John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Indian/Pakistani
In the same office sitting next to each other is a feat in and of itself.
Talk about depression. 
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Guess what? You forgot to count yourself, which makes the total count 32. There... how do you feel now? 
Seriously JSOP, look at CP, it's just hamsters working really hard, and Chris and bunch of other people are taking all the credit, while Bob still rocks! Who cares?
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Rutvik Dave wrote: Guess what? You forgot to count yourself
Simmons is not Native American. He is just another European immigrant. 
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I'm not an immigrant. My family has been here since the 1600s, and I was born here - I think that qualifies me as a natural-born American. And if you want to take it to such an absurd level, we're all immigrants from Africa (according to the latest favorite scientific genetic theory).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I never said anything about immigration. I would consider anyone with a US citizenship an American.
All I am saying is that at work, people are either productive or non-productive. There is no other type-casting.
I understand that your family is there since 1600, but most of the Hispanics, Blacks and Chinese can say the same, that they are there since last 200 years. USA is a country filled with most no. of immigrants in the world (if you consider last 200 years then 50% of people are immigrants), and this is not new. So after spending more than 40 years there, I don't understand why are you depressed? You already know everything in this damn paragraphs. This will NEVER change.
I have spent almost four years in the USA. I have seen immigrants (including Indians) behaving like 'Non-Americans', and sometimes it's annoying. But you can't hate them just because they are not behaving/acting like Americans. Remember they are from a different country.
It's always strange to me, whenever I see an American on the internet who can't stand immigrants. Because I have never came across a single person/incident where someone in the USA doesn't like me because I am an Indian.
I have done many business travels and family vacations with Americans, I have traveled the country like crazy in those four years and I am still talking to my old colleagues on the Skype. I don't think that I just got lucky or I was that dumb, after spending that much time on those many different places.
So back to my original point - Why do you care? It's not 1800 anymore...
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: 'm not an immigrant.
Yes you are.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: My family has been here since the 1600s,
Then you immigrated in the 1600's.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I was born here - I think that qualifies me as a natural-born American
A nation of immigrants!
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: we're all immigrants from Africa
That makes you an African American! Watup!
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I'm on-line therefore I am.
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You actually counted All !!! 
Change is a pattern of life.
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It would definitely come in handy so that John can communicate with of his work mates.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Naah!
The most common languages would be Telugu and Tamil, not Hindi.
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Vivic wrote: Naah!
The most common languages would be Telugu and Tamil, not Hindi.
Sorry, I don't know about Indian languages. I was just thinking about the situation here in Issan (Northeast Thailand) although most villagers speak either Khmer or Lao the children learn Thai in school.
Similarly in China although there are many regional dialects every school student learns Mandarin.
Excuse me for my ignorance of India but I thought Hindi is the language taught in school in India. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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That might be appropriate if I had the slightest desire to communicate with them. They're in my country - they should learn English or go the f*ck home.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: hat might be appropriate if I had the slightest desire to communicate with them.
Obviously you do not want to communicate with the people you work with.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: They're in my country - they should learn English or go the f*ck home.
In my experience Indian and Pakistanis speak proper English.
They were former British colonies after all.
Maybe it is you that doesn't have a good command of the English language. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
As a thought maybe the Americans should spend some more time doing the job rather than counting?
Just a thought.
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jschell wrote: John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Walking around the office this all morning, I counted name plates - five Americans European immigrants and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
As a thought maybe the Americans should spend some more time doing the job rather than counting?
Now you know what he does all day. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Well, in my office there are 3 Chinese, 1 from UAE, 1 from Brazil, 1 from Pakistan, 5 Persians and 1 American. I am the lone American and am definitely out numbered.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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I know how you feel, from the other side. My team, 3 or possibly 4 locals, 6 Indian, 1 from Burma, 2 from the Philippines and me!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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So what's the depressing part?
- That you're prepared to work for a small sum of money
- That your fellow country-men are less hard-working than others
- Or that your performance is scrutinized more than it may have been in the past.
As a 4th/5th generation Aussie, I can assure you that in a previous job at a local university, the hardest workers were all in from families that had been here for less time than mine, the majority coming from India or Sri-Lanka. They were the least likely to goof-off if they had 'spare' time when there was a process that could be improved, and the most likely to be what I considered bright.
They were incidentally, the most friendly and family-oriented people too. Sure, my sample-size was tiny - there were only 300 of us that I had regular/semi-regular contact with. But I'd work with 'imports' every day of the week if I could, much sooner than 'locals'.
Complacency is the enemy of the successful. 
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Well said. I really appreciate your points. One thing to understand here is, if there are so called skilled developers who are so extensive in US why would they wish to sponsor visa and get developers from other countries
Thanks,
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