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Developers think QA team should be in charge of this. QA team says developers should write it by themselves. Test case has now become a political issue in my friend's company.
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Shouldn't developers write unit test cases and rest to be done by QA, business analyst or whatever?
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Unit tests are NOT "test cases". Writing those is the domain of QA, and they are developed based on requirements.
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Assuming that you mean something like a UAT test case, it is really easy to argue development shouldn't write them: The original spec always contains ambiguity or needs a interpretation - if this wasn't the case we wouldn't need developers. The developers need to interpret the specs and no matter how good will get the interpretation wrong or make an incorrect assumption. Getting the dev to write the test case has the effect of transferring the errors into the test case rather tha n picking them up, which is the point of the test. Also a dev has worked on the UI and thinks it is usable, he will write tests with ease, which will be followed as scripts. It is better for someone else to write them as they'll report stuff they find difficult to use.
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Keith Barrow wrote: The developers need to interpret the specs and no matter how good will get the interpretation wrong or make an incorrect assumption.
Call me maybe thick but... wouldn't it be better if the developers clarified any ambiguity with their clients before basing their work on an interpretation?
I know I may live in cloud cuckoo land, but it's the way I tend to go about things - I do also meet people who do have a tendency to jump into coding when the spec is full of ambiguous requirements.
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Test cases should should come from both BA & Developers as business Analyst know what is the change require for and developers know the implication of their changes.
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In my case - I'm a business analyst, project manager, developer and mentor all rolled into one - with a client base of around 130 people - it's the way I like to work, not having to interpret an interpretation of a user request.
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GuyThiebaut wrote: wouldn't it be better if the developers clarified any ambiguity with their clients before basing their work on an interpretation?
Where you realise there is ambiguity obviously, yes. Really the problem is that natural language is imprecise to which everyone brings their own set of assumptions about the ambiguity. I suppose "misunderstanding" is better than "assumption". I think this problem is intractable, otherwise natural language would rapidly become source-code directly.
There are other reasons devs should not formally (obviously only a total fool would not test their own UI as they are developing it) test their own stuff in the end-user capacity (as oppposed to unit/integration etc) but those reasons are less concrete and harder to sell to managerial staff.e.g. a [decent] developer is attached to their work and therefore biased, also developers tends to start from the standpoint "is it working" rather than a better foe testing standpoint of "how do I break it?"
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Here's a nasty take on it, whoever specifies the requirement should also specify the acceptance criteria. The developer should prove the criteria is met and then QA confirm the proof.
Pipe. Inserted. Smoke.
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Every requirement in the specification should have a section "How will we know this is done".
That becomes your UAT test case(s) independent of coding.
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Writing test cases is boring. No one, including myself, wants to write them...but they must be done.
There is great responsibility in writing good, effective test cases, and none of which is fun.
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Hi,
many of my friends have different opinion on switching the company. some of them changes job frequently even for minor money increment. i understand that if you are not getting a good growth(in terms of money and learning)/some bad office politics you should change your company but is it okay to switch company to get more pay/may be better opportunity (which we don't know if that is better, until joining the new company) even if you are happy with your current employer. what should be the right time for a developer to look for a change which will give him proper boost in his carrier?
Ravi Khoda
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For me personally, the right job is not just about the money or opportunity. I want to work for a company that treats its employees fairly and with respect, where I feel that my opinions are valued, that I feel that I can make a positive contribution and that I am fairly rewarded for making those contributions.
I am not career minded and do not switch from job to job just for minor pay increases. This looks bad on your resume and many employers avoid such people.
There is no right or wrong answer to this. If you constantly want to explore new opportunities then maybe contracting is a better option.
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Isn't there an app for that?
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There is no "one rule" which covers when to switch. But...do note that switching too often can be a kiss of death for good companies. Recruiting costs money - lots of it - directly in terms of Agency fees (which are a percentage of the annual salary of each placed employee) or advertising, and indirectly in terms of the sheer time it takes to interview and decide. If you have a history of changing often then the implication is that you won't stay long, so you can get passed over in favour of a lesser candidate with a more "stable" employment history. It can also look like you are good at interviewing, and very bad at the job...
Don't change jobs just for money - unless the increment is substantial. Change because the old job is too easy and you need a challenge. Or because the conditions in the old company are intolerable for what ever reason. If you are happy with the employer, the work is good, the commute doesn't eat your life and soul, and your colleagues are good to work with then stay - if you can.
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there are the people whom i know, they have change there job only once in 30 years of their career. So its totally depended on where you would like to work,are you happy with the work you are doing.
Is you work life is balanced(most important  ).
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Maybe its time to change the job when each Monday you wake up, realize you have to go to work and wish for a world apocalypse, so you can stay in bed a little longer and skip work.
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Most people switch the company off at night, and on weekends, but I'd say it will vary with the the job.
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