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No worries!
At my first search on the shop list I did not even saw both computers there... 
Both of them have more or less the same specs the only difference in favor of the 440 is the HDD... I think I'll try to go for the 450 (now it's time to see if they have it in stock or not...).
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I would take a look at the noise emission. If for some reason the 450 is louder even in idle mode I'd take the 440, otherwise the 450 with more RAM.
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Can't get that information on their website... 
So probably I'll go for the 450 with more RAM even it has less HDD...
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The difference in the specs are insignificant. So: Find a shop and try the keyboards maybe? Unless you are like me and prefer external keyboards. Pick the one which looks best on the coffee table? No seriously, you can just try the mechanical touch and feel of the things.
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That's what I thought so I've decided to come here and ask...
Given the fact the touchpad looks better in the 450 (it has physical buttons) I'll try to get that one... if that is not possible, then I'll go for the 440...
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The 450.
The harddrive and memory can be upgraded, the rest alas not.
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That's right...
Yes, I do think I'll try to get this one.
Even none of them has the best set of processors available... those are the ones available and I do think it will be enough for now.
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Between a faster CPU and more RAM, these days, I'll go with more RAM.
So, given that you can/will upgrade it yourself, then IMO it becomes a matter of which supports the most.
Even if you only intend to get 16GB now, if one of them supports, say, 32GB and the other doesn't, then I'd go with the one that can take it.
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Both can reach only 16GB, which for my job I think it will be enough, by now... I've been living with 6GB and 2GB in my last computers... so I think jumping to 12 will be a great improvement... 
And who knows if in a near future I will be able to add another 4GB...
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I'll just say that no amount of RAM seems to large once you start using virtual machines. 
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Yes, of course... I don't use virtual machines really often, only to test things: web site maintenance when is needed (plenty of browsers installed, remote support to our customers, and to test some specific things when my computer must be free of problems...).
But that's a really clear reason to get more RAM...
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Assuming the specs are OK (which for both of those, I think they are) I think it is much more important to get your hands on one, if at all possible, and see how you like the keyboard, touchpad, and screen IRL
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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I can't do it... I'm buying them directly at a major importer and I can only buy them by Internet...
But as far as I've seen I'll have a problem that I got also when going from IBM to HP... the FN and the Ctrl Key are switched in both brands and this will imply a small adaptation...
Apart of that as my last laptop has been working for a lot of years I'll notice a change whichever I get so I'm more than happy to spend some time re-learning to use the keyboard... 
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Lenovo A vs Lenovo B.
Make sure that Superfish[^] does not trap you.
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I'll remove it as soon as the computer arrives...
Yes... superfish is a wrong move from their side... but I need something that works and T series laptops look really interesting in terms of specs...
I've got tired of HP after several problems with the laptops I've got from them... now while I'm waiting for the new machine I'll have to use the T41p IBM latptop... it will be a nightmare, but at least I'll be able to continue working...
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I have had more problems with Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. On both I have had Office 2010 fail on both. This did not happen on Windows 7 (also on Windows 8.1 did not have Office 2007). Also these OSs no longer support DVDs without special software. Microsoft says it no longer needs to support DVDs because they are obsolete. I am sorry, but there are many titles that cannot be downloaded, and there is also the issue being on the internet to use online material, and also need the internet performance. Basically Microsoft is providing BS on why it should not support DVDs. In the meantime, Microsoft is just providing additional reasons for not buying PCs. Maybe the time of the PC is gone, but apparently the fall in PC sales corresponded to the release of Windows 8. All I can say is that I am moving back to Windows 7.
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Clifford Nelson wrote: Microsoft says it no longer needs to support DVDs because they are obsolete.
I laugh. A few weeks back I installed Win 10, plus Visual Studio .next CTP, and SQL Server 2014. Of course I needed to have the OS on a disk, but VS installed as an ISO mounted as a virtual disk just fine. Not so for SQL Server. I tried a bunch of times before finally burning the ISO to a disk and using it.
I did not try Office -- I use Office 2003 anyway.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Of course I needed to have the OS on a disk
Not really, you can install from usb-stick. (if you'r interested in how just google it, plenty of articles about it)
My new desktop doesn't have a dvd-bay anymore, I can't even remember when the last time was I used a cd/dvd.
PIEBALDconsult wrote: Not so for SQL Server
Really?
Haven't had any problems with installing just from hdd (on windows 7 and 8.1, haven't tried 10 yet)
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No DVD, No CD support, im done... all my epic Games from 1992 to 2000 are gone?
(Don't remind me about the floppys)
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Clifford Nelson wrote: Also these OSs no longer support DVDs without special software
You are referring only to films, aren't you?
In my windows 8.1 machine I can use DVD's and CDROMS without any issue...
Still not tried Windows 10...
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Why should you need DVDs, when you can pay MS to store everything on-line for you?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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My 8.1 lappie doesn't have a DVD bay, so I just bought a cheap USB one and plugged it in.
It installed the drivers and just worked.
Alcohol 120% works fine, too. I opened several ISOs to install all the cr@p I use.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Clifford Nelson wrote: Office 2010
Been running it for two years now on Win8 & Win8.1 without a single glitch.
Clifford Nelson wrote: Also these OSs no longer support DVDs without special software
Not sure what you mean, but my "out of the box" Media player plays DVDs, and the Windows Explorer ... explores DVD as well.
I googled for it and found this : http://www.howtogeek.com/127774/how-to-play-dvds-on-windows-8/[^]  Now my question for tonight when I am back on my home machine : what the elephant gets fired up when I click on a video DVD ???
You are probably ranting because still irritated by something not working, but I do not think that Microsoft is probably not involved in it.
And I just cannot believe that I have just written that.
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