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Mark_Wallace wrote: Hands up anyone who has less than three terabytes storage.
In my PC? My hand is up.
Accessible to my PC? 13 or so, haven't counted recently...
0,1, 2, 3 - Agreed!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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ME ME ME
only because a. I can't even fill up 2 terabytes of storage in my home computer so I haven't put in the extra terabyte drive I have in the cupboard.
and at work I have 891GB free in a 1 terabyte drive in my desktop machine but I have access to a 6 terabyte storage server.
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So compressing the system files will make sod all difference, even though you don't have 3TB.
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Hopefully it is a feature that can be turned off.
I can only see it being useful for tablets and phones where the space is limited.
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It is obvious that MS are positioning Windows 10 to run on everything from low-end tablets to high-end machines. While this compression makes only a tiny difference for the high-end machines, a low-end tablet with 16GB of flash storage will have an additional 1.5GB of free storage. This is not a trivial amount!
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: While this compression makes only a tiny difference for the high-end machines, a low-end tablet with 16GB of flash storage will have an additional 1.5GB of free storage. This is not a trivial amount!
Don't confuse us with the facts. We want to be mad. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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So i don't need it on my desktop or laptop.
And I certainly don't want to lose the abilities of restore -- which are totally irrelevant to phones, so why are they crippling them?
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Hands up anyone who has less than three terabytes storage.
Put's hand up.
Well it kind of depends I guess.
Work laptop only has 250Gb
Home desktop only 500Gb
But I do have 4 nas systems wich totals at a 10Tb.
I make it a rule to never have anything on my desktop that I want to keep, so I only need space for windows & programs.
As to the other points
0: agreed
1: agreed
2: I don't know why everyone hates the new start menu. Yes I would like to be able to have it always open on one screen and all my programs open on another but..., as it is I never use it anyway, I just pin the programs I need to the task bar.
3: agreed
Tom
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Tom Deketelaere wrote: I make it a rule to never have anything on my desktop that I want to keep,
Exactly. I think that's what most people do, nowadays, so all the compression does is take up more flops to compress/decompress the files (granted, that won't matter, 99% of the time).
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My apologies, I think I may have confused you.
I forgot that the word desktop has 2 meanings in English.
I was referring to the physical device, so the PC.
But I guess the rule applies to both, it's never a good idea to keep anything on the (software) desktop, I just take it a step further by transferring it to another physical device (NAS).
Tom
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Tom Deketelaere wrote: I was referring to the physical device, so the PC.
So was I (I only confuse easily if picks and wheelbarrows are involved); I store everything that is not required by the operating system and programs on remote storage.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: So was I
Ah so no confusion then 
Mark_Wallace wrote: picks and wheelbarrows
No idea what that reference is about, so it confused me, so I guess you'r not the only one
I do think that we are a minority when it comes to not saving anything on the desktop (software or hardware).
Even among some of my colleagues there is the tendency to store everything on the desktop (software), even on servers. It pisses me off but...
Tom
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Tom Deketelaere wrote: Mark_Wallace wrote: picks and wheelbarrows
No idea what that reference is about
It's Paddy's Day!
Shame on you!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Shame on you!
Sorry 
In my defense, I'v been looking at chrome loading wheel for the last 2 hours, it's doing some intensive stuff.
So brain activity is at an all time low at the moment 
Tom
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Mark_Wallace wrote: all the compression does is take up more flops
Really? Microsoft is using a compression-algo that relies on floating point calcs.
Somehow, I strongly doubt that.
I don't have a total of 3TB of space, keep everything I want quickly on my desktop, have avoided use of compressed file-systems since Superstor was about and haven't seen a disk-crash in nearly 25 years. (It was a Seagate)
Methinks thou dost protest too much.
But I'd be happy to help kill Metro, the Ribbon and reinstate the Start Menu.... provided I get some help to retain Aero.
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enhzflep wrote: Microsoft is using a compression-algo that relies on floating point calcs.
Somehow, I strongly doubt that.
Good point.
It probably follows their fixation with baby-blocks.
enhzflep wrote: have avoided use of compressed file-systems since Superstor was about and haven't seen a disk-crash in nearly 25 years.
Um, you're kinda adding to/proving my point, there.
enhzflep wrote: Methinks thou dost protest too much.
You say that after proving my point?
And anyway, if the *Next* *Big* *Thing* from MS is saving disc space that we could have used 20 years ago (by using compression and by crippling tools that have saved a lot of computers, in recent history) but which is pointless now, I still say they're missing the mark.
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I was just thinking 10 minutes ago I may have misread your statement on disk-compression, then 5 mins ago I got notification of a reply. Oh well, we can't lose 'em all.
Indeed, I concede my reading comprehension skills are not what they will be after some sleep and concur, MS haven't hit any of the marks I consider important.
With such a decline in the aesthetic qualities of windows and a similar direction of 'progress' in so many other areas, I'm thinking more and more that Wine or VirtualBox/VMWare under a flavour of Linux will be how my next machine is setup. For years I only kept a primary install of Windows for Office, Win 32/64 coding and gaming, though even these can be done without a full-calorie windows these days.
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I don't compress my disks at all, but I agree with your point.
Microsoft seem lost at the moment (have done since Windows 8/Surface/Windows Phone). I still get annoyed that the environment variables window *STILL* isn't resizable after all these years!
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modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: I still get annoyed that the environment variables window *STILL* isn't resizable after all these years!
Yet another of those little things that annoy me, but I can never remember, when someone asks "What have they done wrong?"
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How to make a Start Menu for Win 8 without installing too much cr@p:
0. Get this[^].
1. Create a new folder on your desktop.
2. Drop shortcuts to whichever %allusers%/start menu/ and %you%/start menu/ directories you like in the new directory.
3. Click and hold the left mouse button on the new folder.
4. Look[^] what you get!
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And to think I wasted £1.50 on Start8! 
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modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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I've had KO Approach for a few years. It's a very handy tool, with standard features that just lent it to "replacing" the Start Menu.
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You just put me off Win 10 for life! 
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Don't worry.
By Win 37, some other company will have come up with an OS that doesn't fly off in ridiculous, useless directions, and Windows users will just troll around the Internet like apple and linux users do now.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Hands up anyone who has less than three terabytes storage
On some critical and crazy expensive servers, no we don't have 3+TB. Server quality drives are expensive. We're switching to SSD storage, but that too is expensive. We actually run pretty tight with storage, using only what we need.
For my personal use I have 1Tb on my home machine, 128Gb on my work laptop (It's dual boot MacOs/Win7, so 128 each). The ability to save space on the drive makes my life better.
And relax: Windows 10 will Make It All Better. All of it. You'll wonder how you ever survived without it. Your computer will run better, your screen will appear brighter, the air will even smell fresher. Small bunnies will hop among the flowers and green grass sprouting around you as you install it. While using Windows 10 you will never, ever get rained on.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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