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W∴ Balboos wrote: The forced updates are probably the last straw
Point it to a WSUS server and be done with it.
After years of procrastinating, a few months ago I finally took the time to set up a WSUS server in a small VM to see what it can do. Pretty happy with the results so far.
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I had to look up WSUS.
It's just another trip down the same tubes - and it won't help anyone that I'd be expected to service (i.e., various family).
Like I did with cable TV (with extreme satisfaction with the outcome, as is my Mrs.), it'll be the final push to cut-the-MS cord. Most users have now experienced other O/S's, anyway, so they'll be more willing to adapt than years ago.
It's time to stop dodging the bullets by simply getting out of the line of fire.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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So when's the last time you just had to refuse an update anyway?
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Interestingly, ca. 2 weeks ago I got my Mrs. a new laptop (Win7 Pro); Validating the windows version and it downloaded (without asking) the Updates.
Screwed it up super royally. Wouldn't start.
Finally, I gave up and had to reload from the image partition. And this time around I installed everything without the benefit of the update - smooth as silk.
Hours of life wasted.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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In a case like this, I'd be more likely to suspect incompatibilities with preloaded 3rd-party crapware.
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dandy72 wrote: In a case like this, I'd be more likely to suspect incompatibilities with preloaded 3rd-party 1st-party crapware.
Third Party Crapware?
Actually, considering what was on the system at the time (virtually empty), and what was not loaded later - the missing application from the reload was Office 365 "trial".
I guess you got it almost right - just apply the changes I did, above, to your thinking and everything will make more sense.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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W∴ Balboos wrote: considering what was on the system at the time (virtually empty
Where can you get this mysterious, magical laptop that comes with virtually no third-party crapware? Because I haven't seen any of those in...well, ever?
Considering the stupid things[^] OEMs do to the configuration they ship their systems with, whenever I buy a system for myself, the first thing I do is blow away the OS and reinstall it from my TechNet or MSDN images.
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Where? A Refurb from NewEgg. The bloatware was MS Office365. I actually bought a DELL M6500 from ThinkGreenPC (for me) and it had zero bloatware out of the box.
The reload partion didn't bother with the Office365 - so if you need to go by what changed in the system the finger's easily pointed.
Experience w/MS screwing other peoples apps with upgrades, include major apps like ZoneAlarm, are legion. Not to mention that an unrequested upgrade could leave your system in a "Do Not Turn Off" state for ridiculously long periods of time. Perish the thought that it's a laptop and your battery is too low and you don't have a charger (or outlet), etc.
The really mysterious part is how you'd not be aware of the well know phenomenon of doing a MS upgrade and thereby trashing your system. It's been going on since DOS 6.0.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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W∴ Balboos wrote: The really mysterious part is how you'd not be aware of the well know phenomenon of doing a MS upgrade and thereby trashing your system.
Systems can get trashed no matter what OS is running, I wouldn't single out MS.
Mind you, I've steered clear of Office 365, maybe it would be giving me grief just the same. But you'd think if there were widespread problems on pristine installs, it'd be fixed by now.
It's been at least 3 years now I've run nothing but VMs here at home. With all hardware virtualized and no crappy driver to get in the way, I've yet to have to rebuild a single one of them (and that's including moving all VMs from one physical host to another--twice...and then changing the host OS in-between).
W∴ Balboos wrote: It's been going on since DOS 6.0.
6? Are you feeling generous? 
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Aah my young apprentices, Become a master CCC you seek. Solve the CCC puzzle you must, only then, a master CCC you will be. May the CCC force be with you.
Yoda's Quote I have - "If you end your training now" (7).
("If you end your training now - if you choose the quick and easy path as Vader did, you will become an agent of evil." - Yoda)
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Getting close to bed time so a hint. I've shorten to critical parts... 
Yodas quote - now.
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Present?
yoda quote - I feel your presence
now = present
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Movie Quote Of The Day
There she goes, leaving you, again. Bloody fickle, that one.
Which movie?
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Brokeback Mountain.
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The Windows Saga - Season X
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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[baah] , I love you
okay i don't know how to use the sheep icon -.-
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Try ![Sheep | [baah]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/sheep.gif)
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Yeah thanks 
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cheers,
Super
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It's Australian for "What the elephant did I just put in my mouth, sport? Get me some bleach and a power sander quick!"
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