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Yes, evolution does appear random - which kind of goes against the idea of life springing up solely (uniformly, you might say) in one form in one place.. 
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Not really - Evolution is a process (a directionless process) which can't even start until there is something reproducing, and "making mistakes" when it does so. If the first organism always produced an identical copy of itself with no changes at all then there is nothing to start the process going.
If you have two independent sources then it's probably easier - but in a surprisingly short number of generations mutations can make two variants sufficiently different that they might have well have started from different "seeds" to begin with! 
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OriginalGriff wrote: If you have two independent sources then it's probably easier - but in a surprisingly short number of generations mutations can make two variants sufficiently different that they might have well have started from different "seeds" to begin with!
In nature, the simplest answer is usually the closest to being correct
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But which is the "simplest"?
That probably depends on how complicated it was to produce "life" from scratch - and I suspect it isn't trivial - but it's not likely we will ever know for sure.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Logically, that would be possible. But if that were the case we'd be a planet full of a single dominant predator and nothing else.
Not true. As a species spreads, environmental factors have a large impact on how they adapt over time to the point where you get a different species. Over a long period of time, a predator may not even be a predator any more because of a lack of the food it considers normal. You get different species with a common ancestor.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: You get different species with a common ancestor.
True, but saying that every species has the same, single ancestor doesn't make sense. We're basically back at a 21st century equivalent of "God".
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Brent Jenkins wrote: but saying that every species has the same, single ancestor doesn't make sense.
Actually it CAN make sense. It is a possibility. "Likeliness" is not a concern. What is important is finding all possibilities for the origin of life and eliminating or advancing them with evidence and experimentation.
Possibility 1) Everything descended from a single original organism.
Possibility 2) There may have been multiple original organisms in various parts of the world, eventually meeting up and creating new species.
Possibility 3) Life originated somewhere else and was deposited here by an impactor of some kind, be it dust, comet, or asteroid.
Possibility 4) Any combination of the above.
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Like I said, we're back to {enter your entity of choice} created all life 
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OriginalGriff wrote: humans started in a small region of Africa,
Homo sapiens origins appear to be in a single place. Hominids however not so much. Besides, the expansion potential for homo sapiens was, I would venture to suggest, rather greater than strands of DNA that hadn't yet figured out how to make a cell!
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Considering how unlikely the life-creating event is, even when all the right stuff is in the right place, a single-event is probable. Once established, it can spread as it mutates into endless diversity.
That being said, time has been around a long time - so other events may have occurred and if they compete for resources then only one version may survive - either because it's more efficient, or very likely because it got there first.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Considering how unlikely the life-creating event is, even when all the right stuff is in the right place, a single-event is probable.
That's the real question right there: how easy or difficult is it for life to get started?
If it's very difficult, then the single event is likely. If it's easy, then the single event is unlikely.
Personally, I'd be very surprised if our own solar system isn't full of life.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Personally, I'd be very surprised if our own solar system isn't full of life.
And for that, time is on your side (at least five billion years worth of it, so far).
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Personally, I'd be very surprised if our own solar system isn't full of life.
It is. It's just all on one planet!
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Is our planet the whole solar system? 
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 If a pond is full of fish and I then herd all the fish into one corner of that pond is the pond no longer full of fish? Is there not an abundance of fish in the pond irrespective of where they happen to be? Is there no possibility of a superfluity of fish as long as there is some part of the water in which there is no fish? Has the word 'full' suddenly acquired a meaning requiring even distribution or it doesn't count?
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Sorry if I've confused you. I'd thought my original statement "if our own solar system isn't full of life.." was actually pretty clear.
However, let me clarify that by saying "our own solar system", I was referring to every planet, moon and lump of rock between the sun and the farthest edge of our solar system[^].
I can't say it any clearer than that. If it's still not clear, then I'm not really the guy who can help you.
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The Earth is only a part of the solar system, it's not the whole solar system.
I really shouldn't need to explain this, should I?
Do I explicitly need to exclude Earth? If so, consider it excluded.
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What was the point? Wordplay, that's all.
Someone looking to ignore the point I originally made with (what they thought would be) a clever comment.
Great, thanks for that. This is why nothing gets done these days, we all just sit around making smart-arsed comments that contribute nothing.
Well done, keep up the good work.
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Dunno, I expected a normal conversation..
If I'd have wanted replies along the lines of "you're, not your" I'd have commented on the Guardian.
Oh well, that'll teach me.
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Take a look at the original reply[^] - where's the humour?
You seem to be someone out looking for anything to argue about. I made a comment about life probably being spread across the solar system, got a reply saying it's all here on earth, I re-stated that I meant the whole solar system.
What's your issue here?
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