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The first question that came to my mind was, "what, no recycle bin with an undo option"? Oh yeah, it's Linux. 
Marc
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You only do it once. 
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I have to wonder what would happen using the rm command in the new bash shell in Windows 10
Anyone want to try and report back? 
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charlieg wrote: typing rm -rf
We have 20+ options for VMs, partial VMs (like docker) and chroot. rm -rf could be safe.
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Are the hard drives in a MacBook Pro just a normal HDD like you'd buy for a desktop or laptop, or are they some proprietary thing? I ask because a friend's computer "crashed" and he was worried about data loss. I've been 99% successful at recovering data from desktop and laptop drives and was wondering if this would be the same song & dance.
Thanks.
DC
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Nothing special. It's just a normal drive like any other.
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They're just sata drives BUT:
Someone brought a newer Mac Book Pro to our PC fixit shop and after some just difficulty with just about everything you can imagine, we were told we could not download the OS to a blank drive we bought for them but would have to take it to an Apple Store so the "teks" there could register the drive. WTF? Ok so Apple's mad at the world again, great.
We gave we computer and the new drive to the customer so he could drive 90 miles to stinkin Boulder Colorado and the techs there said in no way would they use the new drive we bought. So great, Apple's mad at the world again.
We used to do this all the time before you had to get the OS from the mother ship.
Cloning the disk was out of the question as there where no may bad areas in the OS area, we would have had the same situation on a new drive.
I hope your mileage varies.
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There's no such thing as "registering" the drive. I just did a drive upgrade on my Dad's MacBook Pro (HDD to SSD) and it was really easy with SuperDuper. Attach the new drive over USB, start up SuperDuper, copy the internal drive to the SSD and wait. Once the copy is done, take the old drive out of the machine and put the SSD in its place. Done. Works like charm.
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Oh no, that's not how it went. Apparently if you want to download the OS on to bare metal these days you have to take it to an Apple Store. We still think they were lying but, we sure as $%^& couldn't do it. When we consulted Apple by phone about our error message / condition that is what they told us. We have been doing this for 30 years. We've never heard of such a thing up until last month either. t
Apple's mad at the world again and want to have all the service if they can again.
Cloning a disk as you have done with SuperDuper with has no restrictions. We couldn't clone it as it was too far gone in all the wrong places as stated in my post.
MVPs should read OPs more thoroughly.
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Ron Anders wrote: Apparently if you want to download the OS on to bare metal these days you have to take it to an Apple Store
Not true.
In order to install an OS (any OS) on a bare bones HD the computer needs to boot something in order to start the process. This is true of Windows, Linux and OS X. Apple no longer supplies OS X on DVD so whoever is performing the install needs a bootable device with the OS X recovery system on it (ie external HD, USB stick, etc...).
If you have a working Mac its easy to create this bootable device (Authorized Apple service centers probably have them in all the versions of OS X) otherwise you're in trouble and need to find one.
One nice thing about OS X is that it has no license key like Windows. Any bootable device will do the trick and allow for a download and install of the OS. No phoning home to the mother ship (Microsoft).
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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And that's not true.
That mac in question had the ability to get on the internet via a rom shell (short of calling it a bios).
We could go out to the apple store with no os on it.
If it weren't for the nope you can't says apple store.
So neener neener now. 
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I didn't bring up the Internet Recovery thing because not all Macs can do it. Sheesh!
But otherwise, I have no idea what you're talking about. The entire point of the recovery system whether local or internet is to repair or replace the OS on the HD. I've used it. It works. And it doesn't require a visit to an Apple store.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Have you actually tried that or you just woofin' at me for woofin's sake?
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I've done it.
I have a 2009 iMac. 2-3 years ago I get an e-mail from Apple telling me they've had an unacceptable number of HD failures (on the type installed on my Mac). If I bring it to an Apple Store they'll swap it out for free. My Mac shipped with v10.6 but by this time I was running v10.9. Making sure my Time Machine back-up was good to go I brought it in. A couple days later when I bring it home it turns out the "genius" at the Apple Store put v10.6 on the new HD. I notice but figure the Time Machine restore will update it. Nope - turns out that since Time Machine is not an imaging back-up you really need to have the correct version of OS X on the HD before restoring with Time Machine. 
Now the HD is pretty scrambled. Luckily I'd taken the time to create a USB recovery disk when I'd updated to v10.9. Pop it in, boot to it, format HD, install OS X and restore from Time Machine. Took a few hours but in the end worked like a charm. Since then I've added Carbon Copy Cloner to my back-up strategy as well.
When all this happened I told my story to a work colleague who has an even older MacBook Pro. It motivated him to create a recovery stick as well. Sure enough, within a year his HD failed. He bought one on Amazon and used the same method.
Disclaimer: All this happened a few years ago and in neither case did it involve the Internet Recovery method.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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I meant had you done it via the met internet recovery method.
I'm raising the white flag man.
Truce.
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Depending on vintage of the MBP it could be an SSD or an HDD (ie. platters).
Apple also has a hybrid "Fusion" drive but I'm not sure it made it to their laptops. I'm sure you can find the exact specs online.
As mentioned they're standard laptop drives - nothing proprietary.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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You just have to follow the standard apple process:
1. Throw it out the window.
2. Buy a new one.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Interesting; Go MS!
"Microsoft brings this case because its customers have a right to know when the
government obtains a warrant to read their emails, and because Microsoft has a right to tell
them. Yet the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (“ECPA”) allows courts to order
Microsoft to keep its customers in the dark when the government seeks their email content or
other private information, based solely on a “reason to believe” that disclosure might hinder an
investigation. Nothing in the statute requires that the “reason to believe” be grounded in the
facts of the particular investigation, and the statute contains no limit on the length of time such
secrecy orders may be kept in place. 18 U.S.C. § 2705(b). Consequently, as Microsoft’s
customers increasingly store their most private and sensitive information in the cloud, the
government increasingly seeks (and obtains) secrecy orders under Section 2705(b). "
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2803275/Microsoft-challenges-constitutionality-of-gag.pdf[^]
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> complaining about DOJ
> to the DOJ
> hoping for DOJ limit itself
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Suresh7 wrote: hoping for DOJ limit itself
It can be done. The US is still in top 20 for Justice system if I am reading this correctly
WJP Rule of Law Index® 2015[^]
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No they are not complaining to the DOJ, nor are they asking the DOJ to limit itself. The DOJ is a federal law enforcement and prosecution service. It has no judicial powers nor does it appoint judges. In this case it will be a defendant like any other defendant and will be bound by any ruling the judge makes.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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How would the DOJ be defendant in court? Court by definition DOJ 
NVM, you are at England 
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Suresh7 wrote: Court by definition DOJ
No, it's not. The courts are entirely independent of the DOJ. The DOJ has absolutely no input into the appointment of judges or decisions or the interpretation of law.
The situation in England is exactly the same where the DOJ equivalent is the Crown Prosecution Service. It is the responsibility of both the DOJ and CPP to provide lawyers to represent the state in criminal prosecutions, co-ordinate evidence gathering and so on. If either is deemed to be guilty of misconduct in any particular case or in the execution of its duties in general then suit can be brought against it just as with any other professional body or Government Dept. That is precisely what Microsoft is doing, alleging that the DOJ has exceeded its powers and acted unconstitutionally. The DOJ will therefore be appearing in front of an independent court as the defendant in a civil suit. It will have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as any private citizen or body appearing before a court and no more.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Is artificial light made of fauxtons?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Brilliant comment. Enlightening!
Watt else can be said now that you've LED us down this path?
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