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Not deflecting a thing; making a point.
You don't use Linux for the same things as you would Windows. You use it to minimize the system footprint and for scenarios that would be challenging-to-impossible on a Windows machine.
Try playing with varied multi-key encryption schemes on a logical volume in Windows for use on an ARM rig with RAM in the MBs and you'll learn that quickly.
Or running a server with flexible firewall configurations based on state management.
Or a single-machine LAN on no budget.
If you need something trivial and in the box, then of course Windows is easier. What you get with Linux is a granularized platform with finer operational control. Powershell comes close, but doesn't quite hit the mark on that.
And if understanding the appropriate tool for the appropriate job is being an apologist, then I suppose I'm guilty of that much.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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Nathan Minier wrote: They are completely separate products. One does not beget the other
So what? They had the same father, ergo the same problem: crap!Nathan Minier wrote: the point
I got that, now. 
However, that's the part of the problem. BASH is it, get used to it. That attitude is why most linux software is crap.
Nathan Minier wrote: So you're saying that you've looked at every package,
No, but I've looked at enough to see a general pattern.
Nathan Minier wrote: All I'm saying is that people shouldn't gripe when a screwdriver isn't terribly good at pounding in nails.
Nice metaphor, but not at all what's being griped about.
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Nice metaphor, but not at all what's being griped about.
Yeah. It is.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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nanner nanner  
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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git has everything to do with my post. It's awful software and is emblematic of bad taste. Try raising legitimate issues with git on Linux developer forums and you'll be flamed. Hell, half the time you ask a legitimate QUESTION, you get flamed.
(BTW, for those who have to use git, here is the best introduction I've seen: git - the simple guide - no deep sh*t![^])
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I used to be a Git hater too. It takes a while to understand it but I would not want to go back. As for the guys claiming to be experts, they probably keep up with the Kardashians... Its one thing to say you're an expert and another to demonstrate it. Don't give up on Git too soon.
Hogan
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snorkie wrote: Its one thing to say you're an expert and another to demonstrate it.
This is one of my complaints; arguing that the expert really isn't so and therefore the criticism isn't valid is a form of ad hominem argument. It's a form of deflection (so is pretending that a criticism of Linux is about GUIs, not Linux itself or git.) For the record, they never claimed to be experts; I've observed them and am smart enough to separate the novices from the experts.)
Interestingly, the more-or-less opposite of ad homimem logical fallacy is Appeal to Authority, another common problem.
BTW, from a business perspective git has been a disaster. The cost in time has vastly exceeded the price for just about any competing commercial product and those costs will keep mounting. (The two bright spots are SourceTree, which is a very well written git GUI, and that we may persuade the powers that be to switch to GitLab, which will help the process flow.)
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Joe Woodbury wrote: No, it's worse than that; they praise the crap applications. Endlessly. And if you criticize the apps, you get heaps of denial.
Most of those apps were written by 'enthousiasts' in their spare time; naturally they defend it more than a commercial developer who creates what is in the spec. On Windows there was also an earlier focus on UI than on Linux, partially thanks to (I hate to say it) Visual Basic 6 and MS Access. Means said commercial dev had specs that included a UI, while the hobbyist on Linux was trying to figure out to make a UI for X-windows, Gnome, KDE, or simply give up.
Joe Woodbury wrote: "Yeah, but what about Windows 8," is a typical comeback.
Lesson number one is that you don't argue about UI with anyone using "M$" as a reference to Microsoft. Simply don't go there.
Joe Woodbury wrote: Then there's git, which is the worse version control system I've used since Visual Source Safe.
TeamSource. Never found anything to match it.
Joe Woodbury wrote: Are you unable to see badly rendered fonts?
I spent weeks on getting an installer to work on Linux, and it 'works'* - I could care less about how it renders its font in the installer, I don't even want to know.
*) as in, works on my machine and similar machines. Depending on your mono-configuration things might blow up in spectacular ways I could not imagine.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Obligatory XKCD [^]reference.
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I don't if it's funny or ironic, but I just had to do that.
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Linux is good for serving you not for looking at , I use it as a streaming media server and file server and wouldn't use anything else, I have set up several music servers using the humble but very capable Raspberry Pis using USB drives as the media storage and they perform flawlessly - pretty they ain't but they work.
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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My favorite is hearing the Linux weenies complain about Outlook's poor UI, but then designing their clone to look like it as much as possible.
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How many years has Linux been around?
Still trying to figure out why it exists at all, let alone why some people think it's the cat's meow.
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I guess he's had his chips! (What? Too soon?)
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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I'd tell you a chemistry joke, but all the good ones Argon.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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That joke is simply Au
Hogan
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I'm sorry but your joke provoked no reaction here.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
If a coffee bean is between the Earth and the Sun, is it a Java Eclipse? -- Sascha Lefèvre
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Well chemistry comedy will only get you sulphur. You can't boron for ever.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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If you're trying to be ironic, I zinc you failed.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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And I zinc you are Cherman!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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You'll get no reaction from me...
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From all your jokes, Neon was as good as this one.
Isotope joke.
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One could read distill the cows come home - but will it get funny - or perhaps these dull comments are Boron you? Well - I'll keep an ion this thread in case there's a snappy retort of some sort.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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